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#1 2013-10-27 06:51:42

Aan`allein
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Caz (Happy Hour spoilers)

Big spoilers for Happy Hour in here!

So, I'm just wondering if anyone else here thinks it might just be possible that we haven't seen the real Caz since Bobby left her in the Lamian Hills? She was so convinced in the store that Bobby couldn't deal with Candy and Cinnamon, and then when he did... Well, I'm thinking she actually took off. That Bobby managed to plant a seed of real hope in her, and she slipped away from Eligor right then and there (maybe even intending to meet Bobby the next day, though he of course didn't show up!)

Rather than Eligor looking way ahead and purposefully setting up Bobby with his "this she-devil you call Casimira" line, he basically had to because he didn't have control of the real one anymore. Notice how Eligor, when he first has Bobby in his conference room, talks about everything Bobby has done (come to his house, attended the Lifters meeting, killed Candy and Cinnamon), except for his meetings with Caz.

I really hope this is true, for it means that even though Bobby buys into the whole "damsel in distress" trope, Tad doesn't, and he has Caz just taking care of herself. (I'll look forward to some future scene where Bobby's all slack-jawed when he sees Caz kicking ass, though I do think it'll be a very fine line between that appearing as a deus ex, and a hint of foreshadowing giving it away already...)


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#2 2013-10-27 07:57:59

Peter
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Re: Caz (Happy Hour spoilers)

I like your thinking, Aan.

While I certainly did not see that, I am waiting all the time for Caz to kick some ass. In the end she's a higher ranking badass than Bobby and at least as capable and quite a bit more clever than he is, but so far she was too busy being depressed to show that.


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#3 2013-10-28 09:09:03

ylvs
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Re: Caz (Happy Hour spoilers)

Aan, that's a very witty thought and I wish it was mine.
Sounds very plausible to me!


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#4 2013-10-28 13:17:52

Magpie
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Re: Caz (Happy Hour spoilers)

Interesting theory.

I just really, really hope Tad is planning something interesting with Caz, because right now I find it hard to believe her and Bobby's relationship, if you can call it that.


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#5 2013-10-28 14:05:39

Aan`allein
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Re: Caz (Happy Hour spoilers)

Magpie wrote:

I just really, really hope Tad is planning something interesting with Caz, because right now I find it hard to believe her and Bobby's relationship, if you can call it that.

I don't have such trouble with it. I'm just chalking it up to them being angel and demon. We might expect to be able to relate to them, since we're seeing everything through Bobby's eyes and he's trying for all he's worth to appear human - but he's such an unreliable narrator that I'm not buying into it at all. These are beings who switch bodies without much of a second thought, who ... well, you've read the books. :)
Obviously Bobby is on the inside and can't tell us all the many small ways in which he really isn't like an ordinary human, but whenever I'm not buying any of his behaviour, I chalk it up to Tad showing those things to us. (Wonderful storytelling device for Tad, that; reminds me of the way the Other drove the story forward in Otherland. *g*)


Mozilla developer comment of the however long it'll be this time:
<Mossop> run for the hills!
<Boriss> i can't, i'm at a local maximum!


Just Imagine...

 

#6 2013-11-29 14:04:17

Auros
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Re: Caz (Happy Hour spoilers)

I actually totally bought their love story in the first volume, but found some of the stuff in this one a little bit creepily obsessive.

But I really like the idea that maybe Caz is actually already free, and we never saw the real deal during the scenes at Flesh Horse.  Sure, Eligor's tough, but Casimira is no pushover.  If there were some very obvious unexplained coincidence that had helped Bobby's escape, I'd be inclined to credit it to her intervention somehow.

Maybe she can get together with Riprash and Walter Sanders.  Pretty soon, Hell will have its very own Robin Hood and Band of Merry Men^H^H^H Monsters.  They need a Maid Marian, right?


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