1) I doubt it, Ineluki as one of the SIthi at the time, and rimmersmen cam to destroy the immortals...tey seemed to have hates th norns and the sithi equaly

2) well death would be like dying then bing reborn as someone/someting else...reincarnation kinda thing...unbeing would be gone forever.,..so if you dont believe in reincarnation then yeah i would say they are the same

3) i think that the Funderling long distance communication is another play on the same idea...prolly was orignally gotten from LoTR seeing stones

4) possible...even look for a parallel from Aditu and Simon...Sithi seem to be pretty flirty and open about that sort of thing..i know it never got that far with simon and aditu but she had fun teasing him :)

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3. The master witnesses - not trying to mix too much science with magic - but wave harmonics seems to be a mode of their power. Any thoughts.

It might be the same as when they dream (I don't know what it's called in the English volumes - is it "dream way"?)

And when they traverse that dream way they can get in contact with Ineluki and the Red Hand, and they are in the "unbeing" state.

If the master witnesses are connected with wave harmonics, it seems to imply "unbeing" is also wave harmonics.

To tie that thread together, we have the harp in Nakkiga which is a harmonical instrument, and Ineluki speaks through it. So I think you're right about wave harmonics being a mode of at least that master witness (maybe the question is, is that mode universal in MST?)

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4. Finally, it's inferred that Camaris and Amerasu were possibly lovers. Or am I stretching things.

I currently reread all the volumes, and have two volumes left, is it in those that this was inferred?

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IMO Camaris was too straight-laced and religious to ever consider a romance with any Sitha-woman. And, after all, it was his overwhelming guilt about an illicit romance which drove him to Jao e-Tinukai'i in the first place...

Not to mention: Amerasu was roughly 5,000 years old! And still dressed in white (the Sithi color of mourning) after the death of her husband, son, and people at the time. Amerasu kept his presence there a secret because humans were not allowed there, not because she was secretly romancing humans.

Aditu was under 300 years old, very young for one of her people. She wasn't old, wizened, and thousands of years old.

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Yeah, still not convinced. He was straight laced and very religious, but human. Sleeping with his closest friend's wife (not to mention his King) and fathering a son by her shows that. I know he was in grief because of that transgression, but why would Amerasu even take him in?

Dunno, but it's not because she wanted him. ;)

Perhaps she realized that he, in the condition he was in, was no threat to her people. Perhaps she sensed the deep sadness within him. Perhaps she knew he was part of Presbyter John's court, and wanted access to John's own right-hand man.

It's mentioned at the end of TGAT that Eahlstan reached out to the Sithi, and that Amerasu reached back, using Jiriki as a messenger and go between. However, there was no indication that Eahlstan or any other mortal actually went to Jao e Tinukai'i before Camaris.

Getting an invite into Jao e-Tinukai'i is a far cry from becoming the lover of the ancient matriarch of the Sithi. And she was indeed ancient, even 40 years prior to the beginning of "The Dragonbone Chair".

Also, Strangyeard, who took the confession of Camaris, told Jiriki that Camaris' stay with Amerasu had nothing to do with Ineluki's plans. Everything about Camaris' confession eventually gets revealed, except for what actually happened while he was with Amerasu. If he'd only visited with her, then why the need for a confession to Strangyeard.

Camaris's confession was about his affair with Ebekah, the Rose of Hernysadharc, not Amerasu, ancient Dowager Queen of the Sithi.

If nothing illicit happened between them, why be so secretive about it. Especially with what was at stake - why not tell all.

Guess we'll never know...unless Tad would care to enlighten us. Also, this may sound strange, but the way Amerasu and Camaris are portrayed in the books (gentle, wise, strong in their respective ways, but also lonely) I can see them bonding at some level.

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Camaris: So, Amerasu... Nice... nice tree you have here. The cobwebs are... quite extensive...

Amerasu: They signify the deep mourning I feel for the deaths of my husband, son, and people, at the hands of mortals. It is why I dress in mourning white, mortal man. I have spent over 500 years in the dark here, reflecting on my sorrows.

Camaris: You know, you're 5,000 years old... I'm nearly 50. We've got a lot in common...

Amerasu: Your closest friend murdered my people and scourged us from the land!

Camaris: Yes, but I betrayed him. I could... do so again, if you know what I mean... ;)


Of course, this is an exercise in pure silliness, but I truly do not know what Camaris and Amerasu have in common, other than being sad for a long time. Certainly nothing sexual.

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I can buy a few of those, although I don't know what the age difference - vast as it is - really has to do with anything.

As you say, an exercise in silliness, although that's what keeps these books so alive for me. I've been reading them faithfully for nearly twenty years, and they never get old.

I feel exactly the same way, Sojourn.

But what I really want to know (everyone digressed with Camaris and Amerasu) is what the heck is the difference between death and unbeing (I know, I'm stuck on this one).

I think the concept of "Unbeing" is quite similar to the concept of "Undead". Death is to undead as being is to unbeing. So unbeing is no longer existing, but it's also not 'non-existence'. There's still a trace of something there.

Is it ever stated in MST what happens in death? (Except e.g. Hernystiri or Rimmersgard beliefs). It seemed to me that unbeing is the only "dead" state which can communicate with beings still alive.

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Also, Aditu mentions to Geloe that before Camaris regained his wits, she caught him singing along with her one of Amerasu's favorite songs.

I wonder if Camaris was kept there quite long, kinda like Simon? Maybe he had to hear Amerasu sing if she was the only one he was allowed to meet.

It is strange though.