- Jendaiya
- Pilgrim
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News Media Sources
I'm looking for reliable news media in the US and Europe. There are a lots of news sites that I know you just cannot trust these days, like Fox News (no offense to Fox News lovers), and I'm in the process of updating my sources.
I've got sources from South America, Cuba, Russia and the BBC in Britain, but I'm lacking in other areas, obviously.
Do you guys have any recommendations? I find that CNN isn't the best place to get unbiased accounts of anything, but they sure have news fast. I think they have some kind of temporal news device that enables them to see into news future or something. It's almost creepy.
Oh, I can only read English, so it would help if the sources were in that language. :)
Hey! Add Australia and New Zealand to that.
And anywhere else that seems interesting and applicable. :)
Please. :)
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~Prince Myshkin,
The Idiot, by Dostoevsky
- strangeshe
- Hierarch
- From: Texas
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Re: News Media Sources
I'm not sure which ones you may have already eliminated as unreliable, other than Fox -- and not sure if you're eliminating them because of inaccuracies in reporting or for editorial slant/bias, because if the latter, I think I've heard either one side or another complain about editorial slant with just nearly every news outlet there is, CNN, FOX, MSNBC, et al.
I keep my eye on several different sources -- mostly a headline skimmer, me, unless something in particular has my interest for awhile. I'm pretty mainstream, too, I guess -- I just don't have a lot of time to spend digging in a more proactive way so tend to get my news a bit more passively -- it helps if it comes to me via radio or tv that happens to be on, or by Feeds on the net.
Reuters a UK source for world news; well respected rep; I've not heard anything negative about them
In the US, NPR (National Public Radio) which I like very much, but they do tend to a more liberal slant; I've heard compaints that they're too 'brainy' and 'elitist' but that's mostly coming from folks who want just the "if it bleeds it leads", weather, and sports
The big papers, New York Times and L.A. Times, and my local Dallas Morning News -- and then there's the 'upstart' USA Today that used to take some heat for being the news equivalent of fast food (not sure if its rep has changed over the yrs)
And I do pay some attention to the big networks' news (ABC news, CBS news, and NBC -- but mostly via TV, not so much on the web. (Their sites are increasingly autoplay videos that annoy me -- esp. NBC's.) Of course there are the concerns about corporate ownership and influence, too, but I think they still do a fair job.
I don't often check CNN these days -- used to, when they were really the pioneers of 24/7 stuff; the first Gulf War made them, really. But still I see their headlines on my news page.
If you're looking for just one source for US, though, I have no idea which to suggest. I find my system of sampling many pretty well balances out the bias.
My family (mostly very conservative conservatives) are partial to our 'home town' paper The Oklahoman (Oklahoma City). But even it has become more 'citified' and 'not as good as it used to be years ago' (heh). Has lost a bit of its quaint charm, I guess ;)
- cyan
- Mantis
- From: Oakland
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Re: News Media Sources
strangeshe wrote:In the US, NPR (National Public Radio) which I like very much, but they do tend to a more liberal slant; I've heard compaints that they're too 'brainy' and 'elitist' but that's mostly coming from folks who want just the "if it bleeds it leads", weather, and sports
This happens to be my favorite radio source, not just for news but also entertainment. (I'm a huge 'Car Talk' fan, hee!)
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- Malachy_Sunblade
- Pilgrim
- From: Michigan
- Registered: 2005-11-14
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Re: News Media Sources
Fairly often these days, I find myself splitting my time between the middle of the day Conservative shows (i.e. Rush Limbaugh, Shawn Hannity) and the evening shows on NPR, all of which are, as SS pointed out, Liberal in their slant, but between them I get a fairly accurate picture of the things I need to know about. NBC and Fox are my TV news channels (With C-Span as a good, where things stand immediately check, but don't listen to them after the fact, and the BBC when I can get it), and for the paper I split my time between the Detroit News/Freepress (Fairly unbiased, comparatively, with the funniest sports columnist I've ever read), USA Today (Liberal) and the Wall Street Journal (Conservative), occasionally throwing Reuters in for an external source of info. To keep up with all of the sources I have to go to, I often find myself skimming more than reading, but I get enough information to make up my mind about issues for the most part, and any questions I have I start digging through other sources.
I have found, in general, that the most unreliable sources (i.e. biased to the point of ridiculousness) are CNN, The Washington Post, The New York Times, ABC, PBS (they've got some neat shows, but most of the time they just irritate me). That's pretty much it. If you're looking for an unbiased news source, Jen, I'm afraid that you're S.O.L. on that one. "Just the facts" is not a good way to "sell" the newspaper. It'd be nice, but I think it's a pipe dream *grins*.
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- Wolfshade
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Re: News Media Sources
I think The Daily Show is one of the most objective "news" sources out there now, lol.
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- strangeshe
- Hierarch
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Re: News Media Sources
Wolfshade wrote:I think The Daily Show is one of the most objective "news" sources out there now, lol.
*L* I was going to say The Daily Show, too. There have been many weeks where that was pretty much the only thing I actually paid attention to news-wise.
Lately we've been watching CBS News Sunday Morning. It has a nice, laid-back pacing, they spend time going into more depth on stories that cover a pretty good range of topics -- so not a serious news broadcast, but quite interesting stuff often.
- Jendaiya
- Pilgrim
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Re: News Media Sources
I rather like the Daily Show, too. Funny stuff and rather insightful. I didn't think to consider it as a reference point, though.
@Malachy--No, I'm not going to find unbiased--'as unbiased as possible' is the best I can't hope for. I do what you do, what most of us thinking creatures have to do these days, take news from a variety of international sources, compare them, do historical research, read the sources that the news comes from and then come to some kind of a conclusion that doesn't sound like stupidity, ignorance or a conspiracy theory. :)
I just realized I was lacking a good sampling of US news. Local news, while fun (my cable tv gets me local news from Rochester *g*) isn't overly applicable, unless whatever I'm researching takes me in that direction.
Of course a few of my sources, Cuba, Russia, CBC, BBC are state-run sources so you have to be careful. But you have to be careful with private-run stuff in just the same way. All sources are shaped by He Who Owns, so you just have to look at context, ask tons of questions and read between the lines. And then do more research.
Oddly, my research doesn't usually head me off towards the US. The people I work for being Canadian, mostly, they have Canadian interests.
Right now, however, I'm working for something, oddly enough, on whether or not Iran is going to be invaded by the US and I just don't have the best way to look at the overall picture. I think that the sources I wish to avoid, CNN, Fox, MSNBC, etc, would probably give me the best indication as to the mindset of current administration and therefor, the best indication as to what is going to occur (I personally can't see it happening. Well, if they thought along the same lines I do, it wouldn't happen.)
Anyways, I'll take a look at the stuff you guys have mentioned and the stuff I prolly want to avoid and see what they are like. I won't be on this project forever, but US sources are a darn good thing to have. :)
And European ones. I need to hunt down some of those. Gah. And Middle Eastern, I suppose.
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- bandit
- Pilgrim
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Re: News Media Sources
For NZ news www.stuff.co.nz is the big news site, but it's pretty heavily biased towards old fashioned, "ZOMGgetoffmylawnyoukids!" type reporting.
For general information I've heard The Economist is the thing to read. I like reading The Washington Post because I find the quality of writing there to be a bit higher than average. When I was back at home in the states I used to read the San Francisco Chronicle fairly regularly, but they're mostly good for bay area stuff.
I wouldn't bother with Fox like you pointed out, they're, to paraphrase my dad, so full of sh*t they squeak going into a turn.
Al Jazeera is a good source not only for Middle Eastern news but for news in general.
For a more hard leftist point of view there's always The Nation and Mother Jones.
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- Jendaiya
- Pilgrim
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Re: News Media Sources
Thankee, bandit!
These are some nice sources, guys. Wonderfully helpful.
Oh, btw, Iran is beginning to sound more and more, well, dead. The conflict in the stories between what the US says and what the rest of humanity says is amazing. Sad, really. Hopefully I'm wrong. Just misguided by being too immersed in an issue.
Beauty will save the world.
~Prince Myshkin,
The Idiot, by Dostoevsky
- Jendaiya
- Pilgrim
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Re: News Media Sources
Bah. I'm paranoid. Ignore me. :P
Beauty will save the world.
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The Idiot, by Dostoevsky
- Jendaiya
- Pilgrim
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Re: News Media Sources
But not completely. I still would like some European sources. :)
Beauty will save the world.
~Prince Myshkin,
The Idiot, by Dostoevsky
- Jendaiya
- Pilgrim
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Re: News Media Sources
OMG! Fox news gave me a popup! How rude!
Beauty will save the world.
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The Idiot, by Dostoevsky
- dragondawn
- Pilgrim
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Re: News Media Sources
Jendaiya wrote:OMG! Fox news gave me a popup! How rude!
Yeah, well...rude is kinda their stock-in-trade.
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- bandit
- Pilgrim
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Re: News Media Sources
Tangentially, the Washington Post won 6 pulitzer prizes this year:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … id=artslot
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- Malachy_Sunblade
- Pilgrim
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Re: News Media Sources
You know what we should do? We should see what it takes to start a paper, given the many countries represented on this board, we have international "lots of stuff", and call it "For/Against", or something to that effect, and give both sides of multiple issues on various bits and pieces... yeah... now that I think about it, that'd be a LOT of work... could be fun though.
About the closest one gets to that anymore... and I know nobody on here likes Fox but me... is Hannity and Colmes (which I enjoy for the most part, even if sometimes those two just make me cringe), and they're not always very good about little things like... SOURCES... *grins*
Somebody probably already thought of that... but then again, maybe not... am I a genius?? *laughs* Maybe.
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- xavie
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Re: News Media Sources
The Indian Newspaper The Hindu has an online edition here: http://www.hinduonnet.com/
It gives you Indian and international news from an Indian perspective. It's definitely biased in one way or the other - but how can you avoid that?
They also link to the magazine Frontline, which is published by the same publishing house and also available online. It's a weekly magazine that contains commentaries on political, social and ecological topics in India and the world.
Oh yeah, and for Yemen I know the Yemen Observer. The have an online edition here: http://www.yobserver.com/ The funny thing: I know the chief editor personally. They work hard to be an independent newspaper, which is not so easy in Yemen. So it might be interesting.
I'm going to leave it to someone more educated than myself to suggest a newspaper about Germany. The only ones I know are published in German...
- Jendaiya
- Pilgrim
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Re: News Media Sources
Thank you xavie! Those are ones I hadn't found yet, either. :)
Malachy_Sunblade wrote:You know what we should do? We should see what it takes to start a paper, given the many countries represented on this board, we have international "lots of stuff", and call it "For/Against", or something to that effect, and give both sides of multiple issues on various bits and pieces... yeah... now that I think about it, that'd be a LOT of work... could be fun though.
About the closest one gets to that anymore... and I know nobody on here likes Fox but me... is Hannity and Colmes (which I enjoy for the most part, even if sometimes those two just make me cringe), and they're not always very good about little things like... SOURCES... *grins*
Somebody probably already thought of that... but then again, maybe not... am I a genius?? *laughs* Maybe.
We'd end up having to call it: "Mal and Jen Fight to the Death over the Issues." :p
Actually, it sounds like it would be fun. It's something I've been thinking of lately because I like to have all sides of an issue to present to people so they can make their choice. It's hard, though, because of my obvious overly-left viewpoint bias.
We do have a lot of differing viewpoints here at smarch, or wherever we are now. How hard would it be to get a few of us together with vastly differing ideals and each day, for example, pick a news topic and each report from our side of the issue?
Yeah, it's prolly been done, but hey, we're smarchers. We can do it better. And eviler. And funner.
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The Idiot, by Dostoevsky
- Malachy_Sunblade
- Pilgrim
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Re: News Media Sources
Jendaiya: We'd end up having to call it: "Mal and Jen Fight to the Death over the Issues."
*laughs* I maintain, the joke is that I'm a moderate, not a right winger... I just play one on TV, yeah, that's it *grins* (which is somewhat true, a number of the things we've talked about in the Halls have been items that I'm closer to "right" than "left" on). You realize, though, that I'm only half joking, we would need a seriously right wing person for some of this. I'm good at the debate, and I'm pretty sure I could be fairly convincing, but the thing is that I just don't buy some of their crap, and I know it would show through.
I think we should give it a shot, though. Who's game?? (*he says this while grinning and looking at the manuscripts, comic scripts, and rapidly expanding "gotta do this" notebook*... By the by, I'm working on plotting and scripting out a web-comic. I just gotta find a good, solid, dependable artist... I'll let you guys know what I find)
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- Jendaiya
- Pilgrim
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Re: News Media Sources
My problem being that I'm so far left *everyone* is a right-winger. *g*
And yet I can pick up some centrist viewpoints and even some right ones. I think. And some of the lefty-liberal sort.
But yeah, we'd need a serious right-sided viewpoint.
It would be loads of fun to do.
Anyone else interested?
Not like I don't have a million and one things to do, either, but hey. :)
One thing: how would we keep from killing each other? Issues and such can be pretty contentious. We'd have to agree to get along, somehow.
Beauty will save the world.
~Prince Myshkin,
The Idiot, by Dostoevsky
- Malachy_Sunblade
- Pilgrim
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Re: News Media Sources
The 1800 miles distance between us helps on the "not killing each other" thing, Jen. *grins*
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- Jendaiya
- Pilgrim
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HA! You think that would stop me? Not a chance. My lack of passport (and border guards) would stop me. :p
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The Idiot, by Dostoevsky
- Malachy_Sunblade
- Pilgrim
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Re: News Media Sources
Did I say that it would stop you? No, I merely said that the distance would help *grins*. Give you plenty of time to think over what a silly idea it is to cross Canada just to get li'l ol' me. Even by air travel it's a good six hours... plus customs, plus various other things that consume time... Plenty of time for me to escape and thwart your E-VILE plans.
"A strong enough metaphor creates its own truth" M.W. Stover, The Blade of Tyshall.
- Jendaiya
- Pilgrim
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Re: News Media Sources
I suppose I have to admit you're safe. I've promised never to step across the border. :)
But, if I did, there'd be no place for you to hide. Evil always wins and I'm eviler than you are. :P
Beauty will save the world.
~Prince Myshkin,
The Idiot, by Dostoevsky
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