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#1 2006-07-03 20:15:00

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Need some help from computer smart types. :)

Hello!

Ok, so usually I can fumble my way through computer stuff but I'm stumped here.

My computer has 2 drives, the first is 3G and I've always used that as sorta the operating system drive, just keeping windows on there and very few other things.

Everything else I try to put on the second drive which is 10G

(I know, holy old computer with no space on it, Batman!)

Windows XP, as I have heard it does, slowly ate up all the space on my C drive.  I tried to tell it not to do system restore thinking that would stop it but either that's not the problem or it was too late by then.  Currently I have essentially no space left and things are pretty screwey.  So I thought fine, I'll format drive C, start fresh and try to keep it from eating the space from the start.  The computer was fine for a couple years when I first put on XP so I'm hoping formatting and reinstalling will help.  Yes? No?  Am I crazy? Should I give up and buy a new computer? :)

But also I need to know how to get it to reformat.  I can't figure it out.  I can't click on drive c and tell it to reformat because I'm using drive c.  I can't just uninstall windows because it tells me I don't have enough room.  And the only sort of dos prompt I could get was just a window soeven typing format c: in there said I was using the drive.

I would really enjoy a computer that didn't give me constant warnings that it's almost out of space.  If anyone can help I'd really appreciate it!

 

#2 2006-07-04 00:22:00

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Re: Need some help from computer smart types. :)

Yikes, wish I could, but I don't know nuthing bout Windows. (Even though I'm using it.)

Now I know XP makes restore points. (Points that you can roll back to when things went wrong while installing stuff f.e.) So maybe you can throw away some of them? I wouldn't know how, but you might try finding that out with the Windows help function.

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#3 2006-07-04 02:27:00

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Re: Need some help from computer smart types. :)

I had the same problem once, and I hate XP ever since. I've installed Windows at first on a 4G something partition from my 40 G drive. But then it started to save a thousnad of different files there untill it exploded itself and I ended up with a computer telling all the time: Can't to that, not enough space.
My first reaction was, to delete all the useless stuff. DON'T DO THAT. I could not restart my computer after that and Windows was completly dead. Files were missing, although I could not remember deleting them.
I ended up installing Windows XP anew. You don't have to format you drive before you do that, I remember that they will be formated automatically while installing Windows.
Now my computer is working and Windows does not complain any more. Most important is too keep that folder windows produces to keep you personal data in (my music, my pictures and such) out of the drive. It can be moved into another drive without harm.

I hope I have helped you some.


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#4 2006-07-04 02:37:00

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Re: Need some help from computer smart types. :)

*wonders if you can specify the size of the number of files Windows is allowed to create*

Yalahii.


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#5 2006-07-04 03:06:00

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Re: Need some help from computer smart types. :)

As a temporary measure, run cleanmgr.exe (should be in your system dir, so just type that file name in the run box and it'll start).

Although, Windows delights in having that pop up on its own when you least want it, so maybe you've already run it. (But if not, I'd hazard to guess that you can save a lot of space by deleting the temp files and the catalog files for the indexer, assuming that's a service you haven't disabled yet. (If it isn't, now is a good time to disable it, too. "Indexing Service")
I think you long since moved away from IE as well, yes? But if not, IE by default gives itself a tremendously humongous amount of space for the cache (temporary internet files). Going into its preferences and setting that to something reasonable will let you go on for a few years again as well.

Also, you can usually save some space by deleting all the movies in the windows directory. I think they're all under help or tours or somesuch. (I don't have them anymore, so I can't tell exactly.) :)


If you really want to format that drive, you'd do it by inserting the windows install CD, booting from it, and telling that to do this, but you'd then have to start the very very lengthy process of reinstalling every single security update and getting all the programs that install necessary drivers e.a. in the system dir (not to mention in the registry - so basically every single program on your computer) to work again, which I would advise against unless you really have no other recourse.


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#6 2006-07-04 06:31:00

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Re: Need some help from computer smart types. :)

Aan allein wrote:


If you really want to format that drive, you'd do it by inserting the windows install CD, booting from it, and telling that to do this, but you'd then have to start the very very lengthy process of reinstalling every single security update and getting all the programs that install necessary drivers e.a. in the system dir (not to mention in the registry - so basically every single program on your computer) to work again, which I would advise against unless you really have no other recourse.

Aan is right.  This is the only way to completely remove whatever you problem is (unless it is hardware somehow) but it is a long process to update everything.  I would even suggest downloading and burning the updates + firewall + virus program to disk before reformatting, and then updating windows +firewall +virus software BEFORE connecting to the internet.  This helps avoid a brief period of serious vulnerability.  Sadly, I found I had to reformat my hard-drive in this way about once a year before my laptop kicked it.


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#7 2006-07-04 06:34:00

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Re: Need some help from computer smart types. :)

Hmm... ok.

That system cleanup thing pops up probably 10 times a day for me so I've deffinetly used that.  It doesn't do anything at all to help make space and when it asks if I want to delete unused programs and offers the list, 90% of those are on the other drive so again, doesn't help.

I checked the temporary internet files thing in IE and it shows 96mb as the alloted space.  What's a reasonable amount?

And where do I find the indexing service?  Not sure what that is.  All I've done was go into evice manager and found a tab labelled system restore and clicked the box next to "disable system restore for all disks" hoping that was how to turn off what was eating my space. (Which is still disappearing actually.  This morning my computer now tells me I have 0 space left.)

And I think I found the tour things you mentioned, Aan, but it wouldn't let me delete them, first saying to be sure the disk isn't full or that they're not in use, and then when I tried to delete the sub folders it said they were already in use.

And thanks for the suggestion, Kamiko.  I don't think there's much if anything in those folders.  I save everything to the other drive and regularly check those on the c drive to be sure windows hasn't stuck things there that I don't want.  Maybe I'll try moving them just in case though.

And I have to head out for work now but maybe when I get home I'll try to figure out where all the restore points are so I can delete them.  If it will let me delete them.  I've gradually had less and less luck being able to delete anything because apparently I don't have enough free space to delete things.

*sigh*  It's times like these that I really, really hate computers.

 

#8 2006-07-04 06:36:00

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Re: Need some help from computer smart types. :)

Also try defragmenting, though you will have to clear some space to do that.


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#9 2006-07-04 06:58:00

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Re: Need some help from computer smart types. :)

Firstly, having XP on a 4gb drive will drive you crazy, because it is nigh on impossible to stop it filling that very quickly.

I suggest what the others have said. Download all the latest updates for windows, the firewall and antivirus and put them on a cd or a removable drive (or the other drive).

Then do the reformat thing as described by... someone above.

Every six months or so you should defragment your drives which can be found in Start-> All Programs-> accessories-> System Tools if you don't know.

And I'd expect to do this every year or so as well. Isn't windows great?

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#10 2006-07-04 08:57:00

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Re: Need some help from computer smart types. :)

I loathe Windows with a burning, fiery passion. My sister's interning with RedHat and loves it, and I'm giving serious thought to wiping Windows off my machine and following her recommendation of installing Fedora. I've browsed it briefly on her work laptop and I think it's love.


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#11 2006-07-04 12:48:00

Sahi
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Re: Need some help from computer smart types. :)

Weird, my compu is only using 2Gb of it's C-drive. And I've had it quite a while already... *wonders which setting could be different in her compu* I had MyCom install it all for me (well the Windows part anyway).

Yalahii.


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#12 2006-07-04 14:39:00

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Re: Need some help from computer smart types. :)

Make sure you hold the shift key when deleting files, so they'll be _deleted_ rather than moved to the trash can. (Which doesn't have enough space to hold the files.)

Indexing service would be amongst all the other services. Don't know if XP Home exposes those, nor exactly how they'd be accessed under XP Pro, but under windows 2000 it'd be accessoriesadministrative toolsservices (or through the control panel).

If you download WinDirStat (barely 1MB in size), and point it at your C drive, it can tell you graphically which directories take up most space, which should help you figure out if it's indeed restore points taking up most space or something else.

What might also help temporarily (though not recommended as a long term solution) is to decrease the size of your swap file. Control Panel, System, Advanced, Performance Options, Change Virtual Memory (or similar steps under XP) and set the maximum size to be the same as the initial size, both equal to the amount of RAM you have available (assuming that they're currently set higher).

96 MB for the IE cache isn't as bad as it could be (I've seen it be up to 2GB), but for daily browsing you probably don't need much more than 10-20MB, assuming you're not on dialup.

[ July 04, 2006: Message edited by: Aan allein ]


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#13 2006-07-04 14:44:00

Sahi
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Re: Need some help from computer smart types. :)

On my XP services can be found under Control PanelAdministrative ToolsServices

Yalahii.


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#14 2006-07-05 11:36:00

FlutePicc
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Re: Need some help from computer smart types. :)

Just thought I'd stop in to the library here and give an update.  Read all your suggestions last night after work, went to have dinner and stuff before tackling anything and when I got back my computer wouldn't load up the internet so I restarted it and now it claims not to have enough system resources to even load windows.  It loads up as usual until the windows loading screen then gives me the message "Not enough system resources to load something API"  SOmething like that.  And when you click ok it reboots and does the same thing over and over.

Sooo, I guess I have to take it to someone and see if there's something they can do to fix it.  And if not I'll see if anyone I know has a sledgehammer I can borrow and then I'll feel much better about the situation. ;)

Thanks for the help though!

 

#15 2006-07-05 12:38:00

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Re: Need some help from computer smart types. :)

Hit F8 (or F9? just keep hitting them both all the time) during startup (just before the windows screen shows, usually) and choose windows safe boot to boot in. That will probably boot okay, and then you can delete the files.
Or use your windows install cd to start the recovery console and delete files from there.


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<Mossop> run for the hills!
<Boriss> i can't, i'm at a local maximum!


Just Imagine...

 

#16 2006-07-05 12:44:00

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Re: Need some help from computer smart types. :)

I know that sledgehammer feeling. Although I'd rather like to smash somebody's head in with my computer. (Somebody=people from the shop or the manufacturer, who all have failed to repair it).


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#17 2006-07-05 14:42:00

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Re: Need some help from computer smart types. :)

Totally off topic, but Magpie, I adore your sig. *g*


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#18 2006-07-06 04:06:00

Ruby
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Re: Need some help from computer smart types. :)

Yeah, great sig. I luv it too ^_^

back to topic:
I always start kicking my computer, but it won't help any.I don't give my compi to people, I give it to my brother, because he knows everything about computers and always helps me when that hateful thing is not working.
When Windows does not want to start I always have some Linux-CD as Backup. I can check the problem that way and can secure my dearest files if it is a big problem.
Maybe Your 3GB drive is a bit too small for Windows XP. I can only recommend on my brother who told me to give it at least 4,64 GB ( it's my E-Drive, haha *kicks compi some more*). So when you're about to reinstall everything maybe you should give it a partition on the 10GB drive or buy a new one (I could not live with 13 GB, but I'm a gamer).


Dream on.

 

#19 2006-07-07 18:43:00

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Re: Need some help from computer smart types. :)

I work as a network administrator, and I also have to maintain around 70 workstations. 


Maybe its because I'm conditioned to it, but I really don't see reformating a computer as that big of task.  Hopefully you have the install disks for your software and the ability to make data backup either through cd burning, external hard drives, or usb flash drives. 

If you reinstall Windows, I would just create one partition on a drive that small.  If you don't have a broadband internet connection, you can order some of the Windows update disks from Microsoft.  I have a Service Pack 2 disk I ordered from them, which for most of the machines I service, saves me about a 75MB download.

Generally when I have to do a reinstall, it takes me about 3 and half hours to install Windows, Office, all updates and the various software we run. 

For many people who are not adept at some of the maintainence on a pc, they can get pretty bogged down, and a reformat and reinstall will provide them with a performance boost, in that it is an extreame way of cleaning one's registry, cleaning up the file system, and getting rid of adware/spyware.

I reformat/reinstall Windows on my parents computer probably about every year or two, because I am not there to maintain thier computer, and its quicker for me to just reinstall than to fix it in many cases.

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#20 2011-01-14 19:36:39

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Re: Need some help from computer smart types. :)

Ha. Thank God, I found a computer thread. Didn't want to open a new one.

Ever since I installed the damned Office 2007 on my HP Pavillion dv2000 Notebook the computer sometimes slows down to a stop, especially when I have to install or deinstall programs. Just happened with the iTunes update. Took over half an hour. Can it be a RAM problem? I have been thinking about upgrading. My notebook is a few years old. It was created for Vista, but after one day I got fed up with that OS and had them install XP instead. So far, I have always been satisfied with the notebook, but maybe Office 2007 was just too much. Just 1 GB of RAM at the moment. Other things work usually fine, surfing for example. But whenever the computer has to dig deep into the registry or system, things sloooooww down. It is excruciating. Things like this make me usually want to buy a new computer, (I already have three at home of all sizes, nobody needs that much processing power). Maybe it needs just some tuning. I can take it to HP customer service here in Taiwan, but I thought I ask here first, if anyone has an idea.

Or maybe my hard disk is dying?

Is it possible to replace a processor in an older notebook, buy a faster one?

Oh, I run Kaspersky security software, but I have a few applications that open with the system, Dropbox and Copernic Desktop search for example. All of that slows down computers, I know.

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#21 2011-01-24 06:51:22

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Re: Need some help from computer smart types. :)

If it's possible, definitely upgrade your RAM. Office 2007 is a beast in terms of RAM and processing. That would be my first recommendation to you, in fact.


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#22 2011-01-26 01:34:50

Jadelin
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Re: Need some help from computer smart types. :)

Thanks. I think I will carry the computer to customer care when I come back from my holiday and have them check and if possible upgrade the RAM.

 

#23 2011-11-10 17:00:12

Jadelin
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Re: Need some help from computer smart types. :)

Ha, got another computer question to ask.

As I am planning to leave Taiwan soon, possibly next year, I was wondering if I can take back my desktop computer, too. The voltage in Taiwan is 110, and Germany has 240. Is it possible to replace the power adaptor inside this kind of computer back home? Thankfully all my notebooks can deal with any voltage. On that note, I do not even know if my desktop can do that too, probably have to open it up to check, but I guess it wouldn't work. My sceen probably has to stay, pity. So much electrical stuff I cannot take back because of the damn voltage difference.

 

#24 2011-11-11 09:31:43

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Re: Need some help from computer smart types. :)

I wish I could help, but that's way out of my area of experience. (& I'm just commenting to keep this bumped up on active topics so someone who actually /is/ a computer smart type can see it ;)

 

#25 2011-11-11 13:58:28

Sahi
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Re: Need some help from computer smart types. :)

I haven't got a clue, but my guess would be that it's not possible. Or at least not all that easily.


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