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#1 2004-09-04 16:37:00

Venkelos
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Everyone hates the French.. but why?

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The French are indispensable-it is impossible to imagine civilization without them. They had to exist in the past even if you do not believe there is a pressing need for them at present.

There is a whole way of understanding the world that is French and that is critically important in order to make a civilization work.

The French have a method of analyzing human conduct that makes them see truths that are invisible to other forms of the human intellect, especially our boisterously pragmatic American one.

We believe in the power of positive thinking-they believe in the power of intellectual lucidity, even at the price of an increased pessimism. For an American pessimism is a sin; for the French it is prudence.   

To some this may be depressing and jaded. But to others, including myself, there is something stimulating about such a complete lucidity about what is in fact the source of so much misery in human existence, namely our inability to let go of our desire to outshine and outrank others.

Which, God forbid, is most emphatically not to be confused with healthy competition, which always aims at the achievement of a goal outside one's self, even if this be a goal that is as materialistic as money.

This may sound paradoxical, but it isn't. A man who wants to create the largest fortune in the world or to erect the tallest skyscraper is not automatically ensnared in amour propre-in fact, success often comes to the person who is thinking least of how he ranks against others simply because he is focusing his complete mental and spiritual resources on getting the job done, without wasting even a moment's reflection on where his standing is among his peers. He is lost in his objective.   

Vive la France! It`s not often I have complimentary thoughts about our Gallic cousins but it is good from time to time to remember that we don`t live to impress others ....


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#2 2004-09-06 03:33:00

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Re: Everyone hates the French.. but why?

Angelus the Remover wrote:

To some this may be depressing and jaded

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They obviously don't know jaded. =P


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#3 2004-09-06 11:11:00

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Re: Everyone hates the French.. but why?

I like the french. Do I count?


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#4 2004-09-07 01:37:00

Artas
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Re: Everyone hates the French.. but why?

I think hating an entire people is a bit dubious, to say the least.


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#5 2004-09-07 01:58:00

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Re: Everyone hates the French.. but why?

Very least.


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#6 2004-09-07 20:16:00

midge
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Re: Everyone hates the French.. but why?

'Prolly not the best time to flash my French birth certificate then, eh?

 

#7 2004-09-07 22:44:00

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Re: Everyone hates the French.. but why?

Angelus the Remover wrote:

Vive la France! It`s not often I have complimentary thoughts about our Gallic cousins but it is good from time to time to remember that we don`t live to impress others ....

No brits like the french. The rivalry goes back hundreds of years, to the bay of fighting the french again.


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#8 2004-09-07 22:53:00

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Re: Everyone hates the French.. but why?

Rick James, I'm officially renaming you CODY.


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#9 2004-09-07 23:31:00

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Re: Everyone hates the French.. but why?

guh, well in that case I'm changing my name back again. ;p


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#10 2004-09-08 02:51:00

lloer
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Re: Everyone hates the French.. but why?

I like the French. So much, I'm moving to France (eventually).

But then I'm Welsh rather than English.

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#11 2004-09-08 14:26:00

footle
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Re: Everyone hates the French.. but why?

Yes.
That'll be a typical Welsh sentiment.
Naively believing that "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." etc.

Didn't the French seriously let you down in one of your many futile rebellions against Bonny King Edward?


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#12 2004-09-08 15:06:00

CherylMorgan
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Re: Everyone hates the French.. but why?

Careful Lloer, you do know that it was Welsh longbowmen that won Crecy and Agincourt for the English, don't you.

On the other hand, the French do have a rugby team that has always believed in open and attacking play. Can't fault them for that.

 

#13 2004-09-08 15:41:00

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Re: Everyone hates the French.. but why?

footle wrote:

Didn't the French seriously let you down in one of your many futile rebellions against Bonny King Edward?

Hm.  The only French letdown I can think of offhand is deMontfort getting himself killed and parceled off in pieces to his enemies.  The Welsh were their own worst enemy against Edward, really.


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#14 2004-09-10 15:29:00

annabelle
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Re: Everyone hates the French.. but why?

hello i'm new here
sorry i'm french and i must say than i'm a bit shocked to see this thread's title

no offense,i'd just like to understand

well,i'd like to tell you than i'm a big fan of Tad and i will be glad to share my feelings with you on his books

 

#15 2004-09-10 16:27:00

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Re: Everyone hates the French.. but why?

welcome annabelle! just to let you know, the Halls of Fire is our area for political/controversial topics. angelus' titles on his topics tend to be a bit..um, extreme; he likes to make them rather attention-getting. that said, i seriously doubts you'll find any french haters here! we welcome tad fans from all over the world...which means we welcome you too!!


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#16 2004-09-10 16:32:00

AJ
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Re: Everyone hates the French.. but why?

Hi annabelle and welcome  :)

 

#17 2004-09-10 16:53:00

Venkelos
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Re: Everyone hates the French.. but why?

The topic title was deliberately phrased in a questioning form as a means of exploring the whole issue of national stereotypes - both "good" and "bad" ones - in order to debate whether or not such judgements have *any* basis  in fact or are simply the result of prejudice. The thread could equally well have been entitled " Everyone hates the Americans/* British*/ Germans.. but why?" ( Note I said "British" when to many of *us* we actually mean "English" - just to illustrate I`m as prone to such arrogant and unthinking self imagery as anyone else )and France only got the nod because such stereotypes often show as much about the qualities that "we" - as distinct peoples - admire or dislike about other nations/races/creeds regardless of how true those assumptions are in fact.

It all comes down to whether or not you believe there is such a thing as a "typical Englishman" or "typical Frenchwoman" in the first place since without such an assumption it would be impossible to confer any such set of qualities in the first place. As an individualist I prefer to downplay differences of culture - indeed I use sarcasm and irony to send them up - in order to emphasize that we are all unique so that if you`d been born in England and I in France then the fundamental characteristics of my personality would still far outweigh the impact of any inherited or learned prejudices. In short that if I were an *asshole*, the only discernable difference would be that I was a French speaking asshole rather than an English speaking one...*.

But now I`ve hopefully said what I wanted to say on this subject I would like to wish you a warm welcome to the board Annabelle and to say I think it`s very cool of you to make your first foray onto Shadowmarch in the "Halls of Fire". Salute!


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