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#1 2001-06-13 00:36:00

Tad
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Important Bulletin Board Question

Okay, we -think- we have the capacity to change the bulletin board to last-post-on-top -- that is, any topic will begin with most recent posts and scrolling will take you backward toward the very first posts in the topic.

However, as far as we know, this can only happen for the entire bulletin board and can't be an individual user's preference.  That is, we'd have to make it true for everyone.

Personally, I'd prefer it, because for someone who reads and posts as much as I do, it would make things easier.  But there are arguments on both sides, and we'd like to get the feelings of as many of you as we can on whether we should do this or not.

(It's not just me, by the way -- other board users have mentioned it as a possibility, too.  Just in case you thought I was into some kind of weird -l'etat, c'est moi!- thing.)

Anyway, please let us know how you feel, and post reasons pro and con.


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#2 2001-06-13 00:39:00

shadowsandice
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Re: Important Bulletin Board Question

...it'd be kinda annoying reading down...then scrolling up...then reading down...then scrolling up...and maybe being hit by messages first up that you haven't seen what they're replying too...

But with time, anyone can get used to anything.  Except having an eyelash in your eye.


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#3 2001-06-13 00:45:00

Jendaiya
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Re: Important Bulletin Board Question

:shudders:

I've done that before. It got a bit confusing. Seriously, like Shadows said, you feel like your are scrolling in a counterintuitive manner.


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#4 2001-06-13 00:50:00

Tad
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Re: Important Bulletin Board Question

I found this very easy on earlier boards.  You just scroll down to the first new message, then read up.

But the main thing is, it takes you to the new messages first, instead of always dropping you on the first page, first message.

Also, I think that after you post, you would then go back to the last messages and your new post, not the primordial beginning of the topic again.


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#5 2001-06-13 00:52:00

Tristan Lindsay
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Re: Important Bulletin Board Question

I'd prefer the way it is now to reading up. But i'd much prefer it if there were a way to mark which posts were new. Much like how you mark which forums have new posts in them. Mark the forum, mark the thread and then mark the post is what I'd prefer. That way you wouldn't have to wade through a whole page until you recognize a post you haven't read.

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#6 2001-06-13 02:39:00

Genesis
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Re: Important Bulletin Board Question

How hard is it to chage the order, Tad? I mean, if it's not too hard we could have a trial period of most-recent-first and if too many people are unsatisfied we could change back.

 

#7 2001-06-13 03:41:00

Damon
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Re: Important Bulletin Board Question

I'm going to cast a definite definitive vote ... for ambiguity!  I really don't mind either way.


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#8 2001-06-13 04:16:00

djf
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Re: Important Bulletin Board Question

It could be worth a try, but I have never seen an UBB or similarly configured board where the order has been reversed. Maybe there's a reason?


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#9 2001-06-13 04:31:00

Pretzalz
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Re: Important Bulletin Board Question

I am indifferent :), but I have a logistical type question.  How would customary spoiler warnings work.  Usually you say spoiler and skip a few lines so that the reader can stop scrolling down, but if you were scrolling up then you would naturally always have the whole message on the screen including the spoiler and would inadvertately see it even if you didn't want to...


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#10 2001-06-13 05:54:00

MoP
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Re: Important Bulletin Board Question

I'd probably have to vote negatively only because I'm used to scrolling down to read.


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#11 2001-06-13 06:11:00

chris
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Re: Important Bulletin Board Question

I would give it a try. I'd prefer seeing the newest messages first or at least go to the page with the most recent messages first.

And like someone already asked: if the new messages could be marked in some way this would be really helpful to find the new ones.

As for the spoilers which could be overread easily by scrolling upwards: since spoilers never stop me from reading a post, this doesn't matter much for me

chris -
who sometimes even reads the last page of a book before getting there

 

#12 2001-06-13 07:29:00

wildekitten
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Re: Important Bulletin Board Question

My vote goes to scrolling up  - that way you only have to scroll through what you haven't already read.

 

#13 2001-06-13 07:31:00

Rook
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Re: Important Bulletin Board Question

I like the format the way it is.  This is a pretty standard format for UBB and EZBoard, so denizens of other message boards may find the reverse format more confusing.  Maybe, as an alternative, have the setup similar to Yahoo Groups!, where the main page includes the most recently discussed topics?  And perhaps they can contain a small blurb similar to the "Most Active Topics" page?


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#14 2001-06-13 07:35:00

keijukainen
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Re: Important Bulletin Board Question

i vote for keeping it the way it is.

incidentally, i love the "today's active topics" page--so useful! ^_^


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#15 2001-06-13 07:42:00

SkileSare
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Re: Important Bulletin Board Question

My vote is for keeping it the way it is...It would be great to have a DThreaded( http://www.shacknews.com/funk.y?dthread=14484  ) board...but I guess you've got to go with what you have.


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#16 2001-06-13 08:19:00

Raanve
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Re: Important Bulletin Board Question

I don't mind the set up the way it is now.  Of course, I'm not making an attempt to keep up with every thread on the board.. um.. just most of them. -_^  I think that the way it is now is probably best & most intuitive.

One nice feature that we have now is that if the thread has gone to multiple pages, you can click the page number to see the most recent set of posts.  I think that to switch it to recent post on top would be good only if you'd been faithfully following that particular thread.  As it stands, when I finally have time to get around to a new (for me) thread, I just read through all the posts in order, and then keep up with it by going to the last page.

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#17 2001-06-13 10:24:00

Nolan
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Re: Important Bulletin Board Question

I'm going to have to vote to make the change!  I'd love to have the latest posts first.  Scrolling down to find the end of those favorite threads is a pain--and this way, you'd only have to open the window and *pop!*   There's the new post.

Vote 1 for reverse order!


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#18 2001-06-13 10:31:00

Dementia
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Re: Important Bulletin Board Question

I'd like to try the new posts first method.

As Tristan mentioned, of course it would be easiest if the new messages were marked, similar to how forums are marked when they have new topics.


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#19 2001-06-13 10:57:00

Froggy
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Re: Important Bulletin Board Question

I've found it really isn't that much of a bother scrolling down - it's a little annoying, but it's useable, especially if you are catching up on a thread.

One thing that does bug me which I would like to see fixed is that when you click on the most recent message in Today's Active Topics takes you to first message of a thread, rather than to the actual most recent thread.

Other than that, I'm quite happy with the site. This is the first time that I've spent any time on a bulletin board, and it seems to be working really well :)

Well done guys :)

 

#20 2001-06-13 12:29:00

Eshtara
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From: Connecticut
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Re: Important Bulletin Board Question

I'd have to vote for keeping it the way it currently is. I think reading from oldest to newest is easier since that's the way I've been trained :P

 

#21 2001-06-13 13:22:00

Aan`allein
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Re: Important Bulletin Board Question

I'd have to see it done to really be able to judge, but my gut feeling is "keep it the way it is."

It is the standard for (almost) all UBB / vBulletin board, and everybody's adjusted to it. It takes me all of 2 seconds to scroll down to where I last stopped reading, while I imagine that backwards could take a lot of getting used to. Perhaps not that bad for those of us who come here every day, but for those who visit only occasionally the adjustment might be quite disconcerting.


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#22 2001-06-13 13:46:00

strangeshe
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Re: Important Bulletin Board Question

My vote is for newest first.
(Which would solve the 'today's topics'-latest thread thing that Froggy mentions which bugs me, too.)

That said, I'm starting to get used to it as is, so if that's how it stays, I won't fuss -- much ;)

StrangeShe

 

#23 2001-06-13 15:17:00

The Hound
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Re: Important Bulletin Board Question

I like it the way it is. Start to read at top and read down. Otherwise it would be as if you start a book at the end and you have to read pagewise to the first one.
This would be rather strange. Starting to read at the end...

[ June 13, 2001: Message edited by: Sandor Clegane ]


So many vows... they make you swear and swear. Defend the kind. Obey the king. Keep his secrets. Do his bidding. Your life for his. But obey your father. Love your sister. Protect the innocent. Defend the weak. Respect the gods. Obey the laws. It's too much. No matter what you do, you're forsaking one vow or the other.
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#24 2001-06-13 15:59:00

strangeshe
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Re: Important Bulletin Board Question

Whichever way you decide to go, I've noticed something that would be helpful: when reading through a thread comprised of multiple pages, would there be a way of repeating the "status bar" (for lack of a better word) at the bottom of the page? By "status bar", I'm meaning the one that currently appears at the top of each page that says "Hello," and gives the "you are here" path (or whatever you call it) and the page number (if multiples).

I was just reading through the posts on a thread that already has 6 pages (the Ages one, I think), and was finding that at the bottom of the page I couldn't remember which page I was on in order to choose the next page number to click. So I was scrolling to the top again to check where I was so I could choose the right next page. (Does this make any sense to anyone?) Anyhow, if the "status bar" thingy could be repeated at the bottom, whether we're going most recent first or not, it'd be very helpful. (Especially to old codgers like me who can't remember where they are! *g*)

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#25 2001-06-13 16:06:00

The Hound
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Re: Important Bulletin Board Question

Like this or    this you mean?

[ June 13, 2001: Message edited by: Sandor Clegane ]


So many vows... they make you swear and swear. Defend the kind. Obey the king. Keep his secrets. Do his bidding. Your life for his. But obey your father. Love your sister. Protect the innocent. Defend the weak. Respect the gods. Obey the laws. It's too much. No matter what you do, you're forsaking one vow or the other.
Ser Jaime Lannister, Commander of the Kingsguard, Kingslayer, ASoIaF

 

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