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#1 2001-07-22 17:27:00

Susan Queen of the Univ
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cover art

I was just wondering what the cover art of SoSL had to do with the story.  I mean, the golden city, the blue river, and the black mountain were all obviously taken from each volume of the story. But the cover of SoSL has who I assume is Rene holding a child (Cristabel? Cho-Cho?  the Other? Steven?)on a hill or something while the inhabitants of the system look on.  Did that happen in the story, or did I just miss it?  I was just wondering where this idea for cover art came from.  Thanks.
BTW, I do love the artwork of these covers.


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#2 2001-07-22 21:27:00

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Re: cover art

I believe that that was Renie crossing the bridge-of-teeth in the fairytale land at Otherland's centre.  I had some trouble placing it myself.


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#3 2001-07-22 22:42:00

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Re: cover art

page 394 in the hardcover:

"A large crowd had gathered on the near side of the river at the first stone of one of the most unusual bridges Renie had ever seen.  It was made entirely of rectangular stone pillars stretching crookedly across the river like a linear stonehenge.  Although they were of slightly different heights, none of them seemed to be more than a meter or so from its neighbor."

This is exactly the scene on the cover.

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#4 2001-07-22 22:44:00

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Re: cover art

oh,and that makes the child she is holding the Stone Girl...


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#5 2001-07-24 06:38:00

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Re: cover art

Well, I also thought at first it was the Stone Girl, but if you take a closer look at it, the depicted child doesn't really fit to the description of the Stone Girl.
On the other hand, I think Michael Whelan took some freedom, which is okay, because I think the cover artwork for all the novels is really well done.
And for example the mountain of black glass he drew doesn't really fit to the description in the book either.
Check out http://www.michaelwhelan.com  , there he comments on his works for Otherland, and also shows some of his previous ideas , very cool different pics of the Mountain there, too.

[ July 24, 2001: Message edited by: Wintermoon ]


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#6 2001-07-24 14:48:00

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Re: cover art

Yeah, Michael is certainly allowed some liberty in how he paints, I think -- he's earned it.

Also, with the fourth book he had to work without about half the manuscript, first draft, so I don't know how well I'd described the Stone Girl in that draft.

Did you know Michael's in the picture?


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#7 2001-07-24 14:53:00

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Re: cover art

Y' can't go around telling Michael Whelan to be faithful. Jeez how many Hugos is he up to yet? He's one of the High Ghods of SF/Fantasy Art, with a whole industry built around selling his paintings and photoprints, comanding absolute top dollar to do cover art for A-list books! Not  to diss him. I think his art is beautiful. And it's available on t-shirts and coffee mugs and about three coffee table books by now and signed and numbered limited editions and....

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#8 2001-07-24 14:56:00

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Re: cover art

My bookmark is a Michael Whelan :)

I'll have to search the cover of SoSL when I get it back (currently on loan to borrowing-friend #5), even though I have no idea what Michael Whelan looks like.


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#9 2001-07-24 15:28:00

Wintermoon
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Re: cover art

@Tad: Really ? He is on the cover ???
Hmm, wait, let me guess..
Is he the guy with the glasses and the green cap down in the middle ? To the right of the girl in the pink dress ?

And I never wanted to criticize Mr. Whelan's art just because something wasn't drawn as described in the book.
It's ART...and he has done a great job.
Right now on his page there is this gallery of the covers he drew for the Sepultura CD's...I soo loved the Arise pic, looks so weird.


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Breaking chains that hold me down
I fly up to the sun
Another place, another life

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#10 2001-07-24 15:38:00

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Re: cover art

Wow. Just visited his site. Amazing.
Feels good to have the Angel Tower as desktop wallpaper...

what about wallpapers of Shadowmarch-art, Tad? Can't you ask Matt to draw some kind of "big picture"?


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#11 2001-07-24 15:49:00

Tad
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Re: cover art

We already have wallpaper of the Shadowmarch castle -- go see the "Free offers" part of the "About" section.

And we will have some of Matt's work available as wallpaper, too, for subscribers.


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#12 2001-07-24 19:06:00

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Re: cover art

Michael Whelan's cover of The Golden Key by Melanie Rawn,Jennifer Roberson and Kate Elliot features himself as Sario Grijalva - a sociopathic painter!

 

#13 2001-07-25 12:03:00

Marian
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Re: cover art

I wonder if he's the guy in glasses, too...

 

#14 2001-07-25 14:14:00

Tad
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Re: cover art

He's the guy directly UNDER the guy with the glasses.


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#15 2001-07-25 15:07:00

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Re: cover art

oooh! ooooh!ooooh! i wanted that book, The Golden Key, but it evaporated out of my bookstore too fast...maybe i'll order it...hmmmmmm *starts wringing hands like an evil scientist*


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#16 2001-07-25 15:43:00

Damon
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Re: cover art

_The Golden Key_ was an interesting attempt to bring historical progression to a fantasy novel - right up to a faux-renaissance.  Worth a read, but not quite a classic.


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#17 2001-07-25 16:55:00

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Re: cover art

wellll, i -really- wanted it for the cover. is that wrong of me?


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#18 2001-07-25 19:25:00

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Re: cover art

Originally posted by Paragon:
[QB]My bookmark is a Michael Whelan :)

QB]

So's mine, of I believe, Sunrunner's Fire by Melanie Rawn.


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#19 2001-07-26 13:03:00

dragondawn
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Re: cover art

hey, i have that bookmark! very cool...i also have that pic in bigger form on my cubie wall-at least, when i have my OWN cubie. i'm in a temp desk while my area waits to get built out. that's one of my faves of mr. whelan's.....


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#20 2001-07-26 14:17:00

Damon
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Re: cover art

Oh, the dragon one is nice.  I have the Snowqueen Bookmark.


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#21 2001-07-31 20:24:00

Susan Queen of the Univ
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Re: cover art

Wolfshade wrote:

page 394 in the hardcover:

"A large crowd had gathered on the near side of the river at the first stone of one of the most unusual bridges Renie had ever seen.  It was made entirely of rectangular stone pillars stretching crookedly across the river like a linear stonehenge.  Although they were of slightly different heights, none of them seemed to be more than a meter or so from its neighbor."

This is exactly the scene on the cover.

Wolfshade

thanks for the clarification, Wolfshade.  It's so funny because in my mind I pictured that bridge so very differently that I just didn't recognize it on the cover.  Sometimes I'm just a little slow on the uptake.


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