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#1 2008-09-25 13:07:40

U.N Owen
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From: UBC Okanagan
Registered: 2008-09-08
Posts: 119

Favorite characters

I've read the Otherland series about three of four times. So I've become very attached to all the characters and most embarousingly had a VERY VERY MINOR crush on Sweet William, probably because we both have the same sort of looks, people often mistake me for a young man (I'm NOT a man though) and both have the same sense of humour (luckily mine only shows up at around two in the morning after I've drunk a load of caffinated sugary drinks. Which is why my friends don't let me near any pop other than sprite or ginger ale.)

Please tell me I'm not the only one who's had a crush like this (please, please, please)


To quote my chemistry proff "don't mix hydrogen gas with florine gas, it will explode and kill you in the face."

 

#2 2008-09-27 19:01:39

purpletabby
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Registered: 2008-09-23
Posts: 21

Re: Favorite characters

no crushes....but the character of Orlando was my favorite, and the ending he was given.    I actually jumped up and was shouting at my book when he died.....talk about embarrassing!  :)

 

#3 2008-09-28 13:44:56

Ad1tu
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From: Buffalo
Registered: 2004-02-22
Posts: 2489

Re: Favorite characters

psh it's perfectly normal to tell people in books they aren't allowed to die. I do it all the time..!

As far as crushes on book-characters... how is that any different than a movie-character crush? If people can be in love with Jack Sparrow, than I can have a crush on book people!
While I wouldn't call it a crush, I do have a strange fondness for Gyir Stormlantern from Shadowmarch. He also has given me one of my favorite quotes of all time.. "You are only a prisoner when you surrender."


If you should do what makes you happy, and no one can tell you what makes you happy, then that means no one can tell you what to do!

 

#4 2008-09-28 14:29:48

purpletabby
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Registered: 2008-09-23
Posts: 21

Re: Favorite characters

Ad1tu wrote:

psh it's perfectly normal to tell people in books they aren't allowed to die. I do it all the time..!

As far as crushes on book-characters... how is that any different than a movie-character crush? If people can be in love with Jack Sparrow, than I can have a crush on book people!
While I wouldn't call it a crush, I do have a strange fondness for Gyir Stormlantern from Shadowmarch. He also has given me one of my favorite quotes of all time.. "You are only a prisoner when you surrender."

*in total agreement about Gyir Stormlantern*

 

#5 2008-10-07 01:24:54

Long Joseph
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From: Southern California
Registered: 2008-08-21
Posts: 14

Re: Favorite characters

I liked Long Joseph because he always guaranteed comic relief...He was also one of the few characters who remained outside of the network and had no intention of going in it.  Then I think about how Otherland is based in the mid 21st century and I guess I'll be about 80 years old...so Sellars and Sweet William are really my age if they existed...


"I call you to say I won't put up with no nonsense no more.
A man got a right to some rest." -Otherland: CoGS

 

#6 2009-06-26 00:45:32

yelloto
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From: Finland
Registered: 2009-06-24
Posts: 3

Re: Favorite characters

Orlando has to be my favorite. But Fredericks is a good second especially due to the extra insight the reader is given of her during the last book.

I hope I'm not giving any spoilers here but Orlando's end (the one before the actual ending :) ) was always something I expected and I found it a lot more appropriate for him that just wasting away due to the disease. His appearance afterward was of course heart warming but I had already accepted his fate before that. He's a real goody good fighter and almost too decent for me to stand it but there are some rough edges too.

 

#7 2009-06-30 08:08:12

PSYM
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Registered: 2009-06-29
Posts: 4

Re: Favorite characters

No crushes here either (my wife would not approve), but Orlando is my favorite character.

 

#8 2009-07-13 10:01:21

Nerahla
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From: At my desk
Registered: 2008-01-18
Posts: 67
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Re: Favorite characters

No crushes in Otherland, but I understand the concept.  I'd have to pick Ferras Vansen as a book-crush though.   (And Richard Rahl :P  diff writer!)


Anyway, Orlando, hands down, my favorite character.  I haven't read the series in years and he's the one I remember best.  I also identify with the gamer/Tolkien lover in him (and that means probably Tad too ;) ).

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#9 2009-08-07 23:57:06

ChaosSong
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From: On the Roof
Registered: 2009-07-14
Posts: 16

Re: Favorite characters

Dulcenia Anwyn

Okay, she wasn't a front and center character, but a red-head geek-girl who likes bad boys - rawr!

I have book-crushes on the greater majority of sympathetic female characters, and some of the not so sympathetic ones too.  Of course, they are all beautiful in my imagination, because I have to live there (dagnabit) and I can decorate it however I please!

 

#10 2009-08-08 06:37:27

cyenti
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From: Austin, TX
Registered: 2001-08-18
Posts: 156
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Re: Favorite characters

Agreed on Orlando - I was infatuated with gaming at the time and it was quite the wake-up call/"ooh I wish that would happen to me" call. The gender plays between he and Sam, especially early on, are my favorite pieces of exciting tension!


-- Clannad Yenti

"At ease, Ensign, before you sprain something." -- Captain Janeway

 

#11 2009-08-15 17:26:11

Smokex
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Registered: 2009-08-14
Posts: 9

Re: Favorite characters

Orlando hands down. I actually made a character named ThargorX in an MMORPG called Anarchy Online. A tank paladin type. :P Kinda wish I could have made his armor a little more Middle Country-ish.

 

#12 2010-01-31 16:40:27

Calvin
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Registered: 2010-01-31
Posts: 10

Re: Favorite characters

Orlando here too.

I didn't accept his death. I was kind of hoping his consciousness had somehow been 'backed up' in Otherland - kind of like Felix, but witout the Ceremony. I'm sure The Other could have sorted him out :/.

 

#13 2010-03-23 18:41:29

Calvin
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Registered: 2010-01-31
Posts: 10

Re: Favorite characters

[Spoiler]

Just finished the final book. Can't believe Landogarner was brought back! Fantastic ending.

 

#14 2010-07-14 17:10:17

Serena
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Registered: 2010-07-14
Posts: 3

Re: Favorite characters

I have to say, embarrasingly enough.. Dread was my favorite.  I actually wrote a fan fic that involves a spin off of him.  He's my bad guy.

One of my favorite things with Tad is he never writes a 'perfect' character.  They all have their flaws which makes them all the more real with me, so I agree with the fact it's hard to pick a favorite.

Out of the good guys, Martine is my favorite.  :)  I know, I'm weird.  hee!

 

#15 2010-08-10 02:40:32

Jeff O'Connor
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From: On the bed, by the window
Registered: 2010-08-10
Posts: 5

Re: Favorite characters

I totally have a crush on Felix Jongleur. He's so noble and understanding.

...no, honestly, I can't say I developed that sort of feeling toward any of the cast, but there is an undeniable sense of attachment to basically each and every last lead and recurring 'face' in the series. Heck, I've only just finished reading the series a single time, too.

Favorites are tough to choose from, but Renie, !Xabbu, Paul, Orlando, Martine, Dread, Olga, Jeremiah and Long Joseph are undeniably top-tier candidates. Really, though, everyone in the series brings something to the table. Tad Williams' way of bringing everything together in a meaningful, tear-jerking, smile-tugging way inspires me to no end.


"Landogarner!"

 

#16 2010-08-10 07:22:40

Serena
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Registered: 2010-07-14
Posts: 3

Re: Favorite characters

He does have this amazing way of bringing the characters to live in such a 3 D way you wonder where he's got them tucked away cause they HAVE to be real!!

I love how he gives out all these loose strings and you think.. okay Taddles, where are you going with this??  Then suddenly he snatches all the loose ends and makes an amazingly intricate and spectacular knot!

I love reading his series several times cause every time I do I go back and catch something and go "Ooooooh!  That's from.. OOOOOOohh."

 

#17 2010-08-10 18:28:18

Jeff O'Connor
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From: On the bed, by the window
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Posts: 5

Re: Favorite characters

I shall endeavour to re-read the series sometime into the ever-changing future, myself. I was thinking about that the other day: surely with Williams' writing style as it is, I'll pick up on some things I missed and some new things I wouldn't have recognized upon a subsequent journey.


"Landogarner!"

 

#18 2011-01-03 16:29:07

Nebiahlia_47
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Registered: 2011-01-03
Posts: 2

Re: Favorite characters

My favorite character is !Xabbu, hands down. He and I share similar spiritual outlooks on life. ^-^

 

#19 2011-01-03 16:37:40

Nebiahlia_47
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Registered: 2011-01-03
Posts: 2

Re: Favorite characters

I just finished River of Blue Fire, so I am a late-comer to the series.  I first got City of Golden Shadows a few years back, but everytime I reached the midpoint, I was caught up in life and never finished it.  Well, not until a few weeks ago.  I am on my Christmas break from university, and my homework that I deemed upon myself is to finish the Otherland series. How can my break get any better? :)

 

#20 2011-02-20 15:18:30

Calvin
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Registered: 2010-01-31
Posts: 10

Re: Favorite characters

I hate to seem like a conformist, but Orlando was definitely my favourite character.

I loved how it was written too. Thargor would have been perfect to take on most of the obstacles in the story, but Gardiner's illness held him back. When he died, that was tough. Found that hard to accept lol. It was great to see his return at the end though, and his part in the final battle was brilliant.

I had to read the short story "the happiest dead boy in the world" for some closure, lol

 

#21 2011-02-22 23:53:42

Orlando+Sam4Ever
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Registered: 2011-02-22
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Re: Favorite characters

As you can guess by my screen name, Orlando and Sam are my favorite characters.

[SPOILERS FOLLOW THE REST OF THIS POST!]

Orlando was so awesome, and even witty till the end=>

Sam: "And don't you think I'm crying because I'm a girl."

Orlando: "Okay. Don't think I'm crying because I'm dead."





Or this juicy bit =>


Sam (while trying not to cry in front of Orlando):"What are... what are we going to do?"

Orlando:"Try not to get killed. Or try not to get killed again, in my case. Now tell me what happened after I died."


Sam cracks up and also nearly cries, saying,"Damn you, Gardiner, don't do that to me."




The dynamic between those two is so golden. And Beezle, too. But Sam and Orlando are perfect. And Orlando's outlook, even in the face of the aftermath of his own death, is very special. The relationship between them, especially the humor, loyalty and unbreakable closeness between them, really resonated with me.

 

#22 2011-07-24 14:51:35

chamberk again
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Registered: 2008-01-18
Posts: 111

Re: Favorite characters

orlando and sam are def. cute.  I really liked their story the first time I read it.

how has no one in this thread mentioned the Wicked Tribe yet?  They crack me up every single time.  Hilarious.

 

#23 2011-07-24 21:21:05

Wicked Tribe
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Registered: 2011-07-24
Posts: 7

Re: Favorite characters

chamberk again wrote:

how has no one in this thread mentioned the Wicked Tribe yet?  They crack me up every single time.  Hilarious.

I suppose I will mention them then, seeing as they are my username!

The Wicked Tribe was hilarious, especially their strange nicknames for stuff (Landogarner, Freddicks, Big Bad Dark Thing!)
Orlando and Fredericks were great together as well, their conversations were both deep and funny, sometimes at the same time.

My favorite single character would probably be... really no one.  I mostly just like specific interactions between characters.

My favorite villain interaction was between General Yacoubian and Robert Welles.  Welles was all powerful and in control, while Yacoubian got all emotional.


Wicked Tribe, Rooling Tribe!

 

#24 2011-08-20 16:59:54

nehigh
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From: Virginia, US
Registered: 2011-08-19
Posts: 5
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Re: Favorite characters

Serena wrote:

I have to say, embarrasingly enough.. Dread was my favorite.  I actually wrote a fan fic that involves a spin off of him.  He's my bad guy.

One of my favorite things with Tad is he never writes a 'perfect' character.  They all have their flaws which makes them all the more real with me, so I agree with the fact it's hard to pick a favorite.

I was big into gaming when I read this game(and I still am) and I thought that Johnny Dread was the most bad ass dude there could be. Obviously, I didn't agree with a lot of his morals, but you had to love the guy for his badassery. To be honest, I wasn't that upset when he died. He deserved it, I knew he did.lol

Anyway, the name that I use now for gaming actually came about from an evolution that began with using the straight username "JohnnyDread". I used that for quite a while until I made a halfling character on Everquest and I thought I would be witty and call him "NeHiDread". I finally dropped the "dread" part but I still hold the origination of my gaming name close to my heart.

A few days ago I even stumbled on my old Neoseeker.com account from 2003 where you could tell I was just a little obsessed with otherland:

http://otherland.freeforums.org/i-forgot-t10.html

I even used Dread's mantra as my tagline, "Confident, Cocky, Lazy, Dead".


www.twitter.com/fatboyrunnin <- Random me
www.Otherlandforums.com <- A new forum with a Otherland-centric theme

 

#25 2011-10-31 20:19:54

KayW4
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Registered: 2011-10-30
Posts: 4

Re: Favorite characters

I'm just finishing a re-read of Otherland (the first since I first read the books back in 2003!) and found my way to this forum as a result of needing to share the amazingness of these books with someone (partner, friends and family aren't being forthcoming about this)! Just wanted to throw in my two cents' worth: I find Renie such an intriguing character, not only because she's an incredibly unusual heroine in terms of who she is and what she's from, but also because while we really feel for her and her quest, she's also so very prickly and impatient that at times you wonder why Xabbu can remain so patient with her. And at the same time, I sometimes felt that Xabbu expects too much from her when she's being pressed and pushed from all sides. Anyway - I guess I have a bit of a girl crush on her! And I also love the hint towards the end (SPOILER) that maybe Paul Jonas and Martine may share something more out in the "real" world. I really like the idea that those two people, who've really just been victims of others' greed and cruelty, could find a way to be happy together.

 

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