- Jendaiya
- Pilgrim
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The Conspiracy Files
I considered sticking this in the neighbourhood, but some of the stuff might get a bit contentious.
I think I've mentioned a few times how much I love conspiracy theory junk. Conspiracy theories are like urban legends, only more mysterious, more ridiculous and often more unprovable. But, if you really dig beyond the surface you get to the good stuff. The conspiracy theories that have grains of truth, or are based on real findings or real events. The ones that cast themselves in almost credible lights.
I find these theories--some of them silly beyond imagining--to be such intriguing indicators of humanity. There is this desire or the truth--something we all profess to wish to know--covered by the mysterious, the absurd, the fantastic--something we all have a bit of experience with, if we can wrap our minds around a good fantasy novel.
So, I thought I'd bring you some of my favourites. I can't profess to be able to debunk or prove true any of the stuff I'm going to post up. Just suspend your disbelief, open your mind to the silliness, or in some cases, maybe even the truth, and enjoy.
And who knows, maybe the truth really is out there. :)
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The Idiot, by Dostoevsky
- Jendaiya
- Pilgrim
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Re: The Conspiracy Files
This one is a jaw dropper, if you haven't already heard of it. I love presenting this one to scientifically minded folk. It has all the makings of the beginnings of a good conspiracy theory, with a few missing pieces: he offers no "proof", he makes no real accusations to any specific people as far as I can remember. It's got the usual supects, too. The faked moon landing, conspiratorial Jews and a whole lot of "logic".
So now, may I present to you:
Moving-Earth Deception
http://earthdeception.googlepages.com/
From the page:
"- There is NO proof that the Earth rotates on an "axis" daily and orbits the sun annually. None."
This one is actually worth the read, if you have a bit of free time. It's wickedly funny and slightly tragic, all at the same time.
Enjoy. *g*
Beauty will save the world.
~Prince Myshkin,
The Idiot, by Dostoevsky
- Sahi
- Mantis
- From: Assendelft (the Netherlands)
- Registered: 2001-06-04
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Re: The Conspiracy Files
Great!
I particularly love this one: "Research mostly coercively financed by State taxpayer." Ehm, sorry, but weren't those first scientists who claimed this considered heretics? Why would they be funded by taxes? Did they even have tax funded research back then?
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- Mantis
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Re: The Conspiracy Files
"... and then supernaturally changes direction..."
Oh, the science and logic is overwhelming! *faints*
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- Sahi
- Mantis
- From: Assendelft (the Netherlands)
- Registered: 2001-06-04
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Re: The Conspiracy Files
Furthermore, no experiment in all physics has ever demonstrated that the World moves around the Sun, or that it rotates on an axis.
Ehm, so what did Foucault's pendulum do again? I wonder how they would explain that one.
*reads on*
Hey where did those aliens come from? I didn't know current science was claiming they existed? Oh and hey, they're gods too!
*reads on*
Hmm, why is it right to start with a model without motion (of the earth), but wrong to start with a model with motion when you're trying to prove wether the earth moves or not? They always taught me in school that such a distinction shouldn't matter. The right model would explain the most observations. You simply have to try them both to see if they fit. And gee, isn't that what scientists world-wide have been doing? Starting with the model of no movement, noticing that it didn't fit and then moved on to the other model?
If you go outside, look up and see something traverse from your left to your right ( could be a bird or could be a plane ) your first impulse is not, "Hey I am moving",
Guess he's never been sitting in a train that was standing still with another train passing by. Cause boy have I often had the feeling that it was me who was moving and not the other train.
And if there were so many facts, why didn't he actually mention one of them. Instead of just referring to there being facts? He also seemed to have a hard time just writing a logical flow in his essay. He jumped everywhere, but I couldn't detect much logic in it (in the flow that is, I'll not talk about the content any more than I already did).
"I'm a much nicer person online" - Aan'Allein
First member of the Shadowmarch Council of Sages, Official Quiller's Mint Historian You may call me the Porcupine Lady, or if you are feeling generous the Erinaceous One.
- Jendaiya
- Pilgrim
- From: Canada
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Re: The Conspiracy Files
It's great stuff, isn't it? It's is a bit fringe, really, but it's a funny one. The things people believe and try to convince others of.
My favourite lines:
"- The Bible says The Earth is NOT Moving and cannot be moved. What'll it be folks? False science as the source of absolute truth... or God's Word?"
Now I have no problem with religious folk accepting a religious inspired explanation for the universe, but last I heard even the Catholic church was relaxing it's stance on evolution. Some great early scientists were the Jesuits. They still do good scientific work, seeking to understand how their god put the universe together.
"The groundwork is being laid . . . by NASA/Barry Goldstein et al and by Hollywood/Steven Spielberg et al and by Zionist PSY-OP agencies of "crop circle" builders and UFO Shysters like Steven Greer . . . for a future Orson Welles 1938-type "War of the Worlds" FAKED/STAGED alien attack and/or FAKED/STAGED messiah advent-coming......to rule the world ( special note: space aliens or ETs are fictional characters only and do NOT exist except in some people's imaginations )."
I'll bring you guys the full details of this one later on. Project Blue Beam and The Disclosure Project. One is totally nutjob and the other one is fascinating and makes me question my standpoint on things (which is what all great conspiracy theories should do, when it comes down to it). It's very well put together. :)
"But the sun circles me, I do not see me circling the sun..."
I just love that. :)
Beauty will save the world.
~Prince Myshkin,
The Idiot, by Dostoevsky
- Ad1tu
- Pilgrim
- From: Buffalo
- Registered: 2004-02-22
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Re: The Conspiracy Files
If you should do what makes you happy, and no one can tell you what makes you happy, then that means no one can tell you what to do!
- Xenophon
- Pilgrim
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Re: The Conspiracy Files
Jendaiya wrote:"But the sun circles me, I do not see me circling the sun..."
I just love that. :)
but... Einstein even proved this is true.. All motion is relative to its frame of reference, right? ;)
So, I could say, the Earth is holding tstill, and define other movements from that frame of reference and be correct, no?
*runs off laughing madly*
To put your life in danger from time to time... breeds a saneness in dealing with day-to-day trivialities.
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- bumadax
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Re: The Conspiracy Files
i'm generally distrustful toward anyone who's immediately dismissive about these sorts of things. bring em on. i'll believe ANYTHING. sane people are boring.
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- synchrosina
- Pilgrim
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- Registered: 2008-08-10
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Re: The Conspiracy Files
It was a fun read... I'm 90% sure this is a joke even to the creators. "Oprah ( occultism ) " and the music break tend to make me think the creator was not serious. However, I have been and often am wrong about such things.
- Jendaiya
- Pilgrim
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Re: The Conspiracy Files
It well could be a joke, but I've seen it floating around a bit so I thought I'd bring it as a start, because it is a fun one.
I'm gonna bring another one up soon, I've just bee SOOOO busy. *sigh*
Beauty will save the world.
~Prince Myshkin,
The Idiot, by Dostoevsky
- bumadax
- Pilgrim
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Re: The Conspiracy Files
so, 'recreate 68' is an anarchist group who incited some police whatever-ings at the US democrapic convention thing, but
http://www.democraticunderground.com/di … 89x3206998
mmm some people think it's a front group connected to COINTELPRO, which, whether or not true, is INCITING and EXCITING, and yes, this business of the guy and the other guy being connected are poor connections, and so yeah it's a weak allegation if you ask me, but i'm going to tell all my friends that 'recreate 68' is actually a governmental project to make protesters look stupid because i'm hella postmodern and or a liar and very immature.
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- I Faked My Own Death
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Re: The Conspiracy Files
hahahaha
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- Jendaiya
- Pilgrim
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Re: The Conspiracy Files
I've not forgotten about this, honest. It's just hard to find the time to present the fun stuff.
However, in light of the election of Obama, I thought I would post this one up. It's got all the elements of a good conspiracy theory--plausibility without proof. :)
This is one of the latest compiled articles on the subject and it begs you to make you run your head in circles trying to figure out what the heck the point of the of the 'warnings' truly are. Much fun. :)
http://www.thejerusalemgiftshop.com/isr … ours-.html
Warnings From World Leaders all Within 72 Hours
Australian PM Kevin Rudd - “Nuke strike would make 9/11 insignificant” and other weird warnings"
"Over the last 72 hours there has been a strange melange of cryptic messages leaked from world political leaders about what could be in store for America over the next few months.
These predictions of impending doom come from England, France, Australia and the United States.
Biden told the top Democratic donors that a “generated crisis” will develop within six months and Barak Obama will need the help of community leaders to control the population as unpopular decisions are made and Americans resist.
Biden speaking at the fundraiser, “I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate, And he’s gonna need help. And the kind of help he’s gonna need is, he’s gonna need you - not financially to help him - we’re gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it’s not gonna be apparent initially, it’s not gonna be apparent that we’re right.”
Biden’s ominous language at the Seattle Sheraton are followed with statements by long time establishment insiders Colin Powell and Madeline Albright both say there is a massive crisis on the horizon and Biden was simply making a “statement in fact.”
“The problems will always be there and there’s going to be a crisis which will come along on the 21st, 22nd of January that we don’t even know about right now.” Powell told Meet the Press.
Lord West, adviser to Prime Minister Gordon Brown on national security says, “There is another great plot building up again and we are monitoring. It dipped slightly and is now rising again within the context of severe. The threat is huge. We have done all the things that we need to do, but the threat is building - the complex plots are building,”
Across the channel from England you have the French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner warning the press that he believes Israel will strike Iran before they can develope nuclear weapons completley ignoring the fact that the chief of the International Atomic Energy Agency, Mohammed ElBradei, said that Iran lacks the key components to produce an atomic weapon.
“The devastation that could be wreaked by one major nuclear weapons incident alone puts 9/11 and almost everything else [in] to the category of the insignificant,” Rudd said.
Why are there so many high level politicians around the world in a seemingly coordinated effort warning of huge threats and developing crisis’ that may include a nuclear device? Are they preparing the masses for an event or series of events that have been in the making for some time? Is the public being prepared for new and forming enemies with a potential to plunge the entire world into war?" ----end quote---
A number of notable public figures, to be sure; Biden, Rudd, Colin Powell, Matelaine Albright, Lord West and French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner. Taken alone there are plenty of ready explanations, but within 72hrs.?
Are there any more recent examples out there?
(Daily News Caster)
Sure, it sounds ominous, but what is the point? Trying to make Obama look as though he's prepared for his new job? As though he knows what's going on out there? I dunno. It all sounds weird and conspiratorial. I mean, if something bad is really going to happen and they really do know, all the foreshadowing just makes them--and Obama--look bad.
Me, I think it's just a bunch of silliness, trying to make it look like the new guys are 'in the know.' Unfortunately, it's rather gathering steam out there and that is just, ugh, nasty. It's as though they are expecting a new 9/11 and are just waiting for it. At least, that is the 'out there' take on the thing.
Anyway, it's always interesting to read newfangled conspiracy theories. I think that's kind of the neatest thing about this. It's new and it just goes to show what happens when you take a bunch of random statements slightly out of context and run with them. :)
Next time I'll have something funner and betterer. Honest.
Beauty will save the world.
~Prince Myshkin,
The Idiot, by Dostoevsky
- bumadax
- Pilgrim
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Re: The Conspiracy Files
yeah i get bored of normal news and check on alex jones pretty often, so i caught that too.
what's funny is that whenever you even get close to what can be considered categorical Conspiracy Theorism people begin rationalizing coincidences, even when they're not like "hey that cloud resembles something, obviously there's something going on here."
i mean, really. dudes are basically saying "real bad stuff is going to happen," and it's people who have a significantly further reach into the shadows of government than any of us common, "what goes on is what reporters are able to pry out of people" folk.
if you're into sci fi and fantasy i think you should be inclined to at least perk your ear at these kinds of claims, even if you're too rational or sound vs. cogent argument oriented to give a firetruck.
for me it's fun. i mean, if obama's screwed and we're all gonna die, we have no power over it. but it's fun to have these meaningless little fears in the back of your head when you have nothing better to do. not that i have any free time, really ever, in fact i'm procrastinating right now, but still. i faked my own death is lurking under my bed waiting to tickle me into a fit. pretty sure. almost. sure.
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