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#51 2005-02-28 19:36:00

lian
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Re: DOGBLOG: Valley of the Cute Pink Ponies

I guessed it might be the emergency phone? No?


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#52 2005-02-28 22:50:00

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Re: DOGBLOG: Valley of the Cute Pink Ponies

Penultimate to Heaven?


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#53 2005-02-28 23:38:00

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Re: DOGBLOG: Valley of the Cute Pink Ponies

bandit wrote:

"Here little timmy, instead of that weird looking alien bratz doll thing, wouldnt you rather have fun with mr. trebuchet? You can launch Tina with it, and then try to skeet shoot her with the nail gun!"

Eerily reminiscent of my childhood. I shall go and brood, now.


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#54 2005-02-28 23:45:00

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Re: DOGBLOG: Valley of the Cute Pink Ponies

Man I wish I had your childhood. I shall go brood too, on my lack of your childhood.


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#55 2005-03-01 09:24:00

Sahi
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Re: DOGBLOG: Valley of the Cute Pink Ponies

Hey Tad, I just heard that you might be coming to the fantasy fair? Have you heard anything about that yet? (The site of the fair claims it's not certain yet, but that the Dutch publisher Luitingh might lure you.)

*ears perk up*

Yalahii.


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#56 2005-03-02 11:16:00

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Re: DOGBLOG: Valley of the Cute Pink Ponies

No actual luring has been done: that's the first I've heard of it.  I'd love to come back to the Netherlands, but it depends when it is and what's happening on the homefront.


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#57 2005-03-02 17:59:00

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Re: DOGBLOG: Valley of the Cute Pink Ponies

You can launch Tina with it, and then try to skeet shoot her with the nail gun!" 

Do you know that Ducks on a pond get really pissed when you shoot them with a nailgun???
Don't ask how I know, but I do make this observation. How come some of the best and worst of human nature come out in kids??? I did things as a kid I wouldn't even THINK of doing as an adult. Is it lack of experence??  Is morality only something you can learn for yourself and not something that's handed down from those that raise you?


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#58 2005-03-03 10:18:00

Sahi
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Re: DOGBLOG: Valley of the Cute Pink Ponies

Tad wrote:

No actual luring has been done: that's the first I've heard of it.  I'd love to come back to the Netherlands, but it depends when it is and what's happening on the homefront.

*sigh* I was already a bit afraid of that. The event in question is on the 23rd and 24th of april. So it's probably just the Dutch publisher who has been asked to ask you. I'm not sure how that kind of thing works. *keeps fingers crossed anyway*

Yalahii.


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#59 2005-03-03 11:30:00

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Re: DOGBLOG: Valley of the Cute Pink Ponies

I think it's pretty well known that empathy comes late in childhood development.  Certainly I can see my daughter struggling with it now, whereas her brother, three years older, has developed a fairly automatic concern for the suffering of others.

It's one of the things that makes this phase so interesting with Devon.  She's cute as a button, and very kind and loving, then every now and then she'll do something so mean or thoughtless it will take your breath away (sometimes literally if she decides to kick you in the stomach when you're wrestling.)

A beautiful little girl in a fairy princess costume, with a soul like a feral wolf cub.  That's what it seems like sometimes.  Then it's "Daddy, Daddy, I love you so much, and I love my mommy and my brother and everyone in my family!" and hugs and cuddles and you say, "Maybe it'll be okay after all."


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#60 2005-03-03 11:35:00

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Re: DOGBLOG: Valley of the Cute Pink Ponies

Makes me wonder about the whole nature versus nurture argument.  Is empathy learned, or will a child naturally learn to care about others? 

I'm about to have my first kid, maybe I'll conduct experiments j/k (*checks around guiltily to make sure wife isn't looking... )

 

#61 2005-03-03 13:55:00

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Re: DOGBLOG: Valley of the Cute Pink Ponies

Interestingly enough, I use my own childhood for my insight, not my sons. It could be that I was just a really rotten kid. I think Tads right, it's empathy we have to learn, an understanding of pain outside ourselves. Maybe that's what's missing in violent criminals, what was left out or never learned.
   Here's a quick, from the hip, theroy. It seems to me, starting around age say 2-3, kids start learning a sense of "self". They become self aware, start seeing themselves as a person. This is the start of the selfish stage. Everything is really about them, and what they feel and think. At some point they become able to put themselves into other peoples shoes, to feel empathy, and they control their own selfish desires. The point when this happens is different with every child, and in some cases is never learned at all (violent or harmfully selfish adults).
   That makes me feel better about some of the things I was capable of doing as a kid, and also makes me feel better about how kids can seem so mean, to both animals and humans. I'm not saying ALL kids are like that, some learn empathy at a very early age, before their human nature can turn ugly. But some don't. It is a little distrubing that before learning empathy, they are just acting out raw human nature. But it's also encouraging that we can set aside that nature and become something better then our base genitic code.  Hmmmm...

(Oops, sorry, I think I hijacked your thread Tad) *Hands the thread back to Tad with a blush on his face*


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#62 2005-03-03 14:43:00

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Re: DOGBLOG: Valley of the Cute Pink Ponies

Fear not, Sorrow; we all have a longstanding habit of derailing topics, particularly Tad's.  :)


Yield to temptation; it may not pass your way again.

-- Heinlein

 

#63 2005-03-03 14:54:00

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Re: DOGBLOG: Valley of the Cute Pink Ponies

If he was talking to himself in here I think he'd just spend all day chasing his tale!


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#64 2005-03-04 06:23:00

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Re: DOGBLOG: Valley of the Cute Pink Ponies

In the BBC program Child Of Our Time, Robert Winston proved that empathy is learned from our fathers.

All the children in the experiment (aged 4 iirc) were sat down with their father (or mother, if they have no contact with their father) and both were given a bowl of ice cream and a plastic spoon. The father's spoon was rigged to break easily. They'd then say "Oh, what shall I do now? I can't eat my ice cream."

The children with absent fathers had little or no feelings of empathy, they seemed unconcerned by the problem and would continue to eat their own ice cream, or ask for outside help for a replacement spoon.

The children who had present and active fathers, with whom they had a strong relationship, would almost straight away offer their own spoon to their father so he could finish his dessert.

The children with present fathers with whom they didn't have such a strong relationship, would usually offer their own spoon, but not as readily.

It was really quite interesting.

 

#65 2005-03-04 07:15:00

Stuart
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Re: DOGBLOG: Valley of the Cute Pink Ponies

That is good news, I'm an active father and boy do I like ice cream, winner all round.

Lily enjoyed her underwater swimming lesson today (I'l try and remeber to put some picture link up somewhere.


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#66 2005-03-04 07:42:00

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Re: DOGBLOG: Valley of the Cute Pink Ponies

~snicker~ I'm inclined to believe, Sarah, that all that proves is men are better at eliciting pity than women are. Ooooh, the pathos!

~cackleflee!~


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#67 2005-03-04 07:43:00

Miiru
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Re: DOGBLOG: Valley of the Cute Pink Ponies

Jaime wrote:

Fear not, Sorrow; we all have a longstanding habit of derailing topics, particularly Tad's.  :)

Isn't there a bylaw somewhere? A minimum requirement of two topic hijackings per three page run of a topic.


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#68 2005-03-04 09:28:00

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Re: DOGBLOG: Valley of the Cute Pink Ponies

I always thought the rule was just hijack a topic as soon as possible. ;)


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#69 2005-03-04 10:07:00

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Re: DOGBLOG: Valley of the Cute Pink Ponies

you know i always thought hijack was a strange word.  does anyone know the etymology of the word hijack?

 

#70 2005-03-04 10:44:00

Sahi
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Re: DOGBLOG: Valley of the Cute Pink Ponies

In this bizare universe of ours there is bound to be someone who does. *considers smarch her universe*

yalahii.


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#71 2005-03-04 10:48:00

Jim
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Re: DOGBLOG: Valley of the Cute Pink Ponies

hmm... if i had to guess I'd say it has something to do with highway robbery... maybe the robbers were called jack?  highjack?

probably ought to stop now before being smited.

 

#72 2005-03-04 12:19:00

Talinthas
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Re: DOGBLOG: Valley of the Cute Pink Ponies

alas.  i don't have my copy of the OED handy, so i can't really say either =(

 

#73 2005-03-04 12:26:00

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Re: DOGBLOG: Valley of the Cute Pink Ponies

Foo got hi 'en JACKED some ish!


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#74 2005-03-04 13:27:00

Stuart
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Re: DOGBLOG: Valley of the Cute Pink Ponies

According to my Brewer's it comes from the gunman's command to his victim, "stick em high Jack".


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#75 2005-03-04 14:40:00

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Re: DOGBLOG: Valley of the Cute Pink Ponies

I thought it was because most roadside outlaws used the pseudonym "Jack" and were very convivial.

"Oh, hi, Jack!"

"Jack!  Hi!  Nice to see you.  And look -- there's Jack!"

"Hi, Jack!  Howzit going?"

"Oh, you know.  Hi, Jack, didn't see YOU there behind Jack..." and so on.


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