This is the first grunger here.

Lunar, great idead to make a little closet for long-haired refugees like us.

So, have you been to any Blind Guardian's concerts?

Jaime wrote:

*sits at the bar and waves to the cute bartender*

Ginger ale and vodka, please...

*bounces up to the bar next to jaime*
make mine a double!

Woot yeah we should have thought of this long ago!
Good choice of name too!
I miss the show, at least the Old version the new one is eh at best...at least i'm not too impressed with the new stuff.
Guess I'm just old school metalhead. There is a point where no matter how crunchy and rocking the music is, not being able to comprehend the Words spewing forth is just dumb. Metallica, Meagdeth, Anthrax and many other long ago PROVED that you CAN have good metal AND be conprehensible. No call for that crap and it's boring.
Course thats just IMHO...or am I gettign old?
yeek!

*sneaks over to the soundsystem with a big pair of puffy headphones*

*turns off: ACDC - Dirty Deeds *

*slips in: Moonspell - Wolfshade *

*headbangs*

dragondawn wrote:

*bounces up to the bar next to jaime*

Could I get to the other side? Haven't talked to Jaime for so long, bad me.

I'm listening to the CD you sent me dayly these days. It's so wonderfully melancholic... *sighs*

Will there be mere Gothic Parties, too? *looking hopefully at Lunar_strain*
I must admit I'm not too keen on Metal meself, but you mentioned Gothic and I am indeed sick of mainstream pop on the radio (which thank Goddess I only have to hear in my fitness club).

*sings*
I demand you return all the love I gave to you
how can I ever trust again?
this poison forbids my new hopes
how can I take love and find purity?
I loved you so desperately - I believed your every words
yet I've watched you emerge from other's beds.
for you have taken my heart and fed it to snakes
this girl who sleeps in the garden of shards.
I cough this blackened breath - a shallow man
wearing my own hopes as your disguise.
for you will burn your wings upon the sun, my love
you deserve nothing from me anymore.


[ November 26, 2004: Message edited by: Aenwyn ]

*g*
So welcome to everybody ,-)
@ Desperate Elf:
Yes I have been to a Blind Guardian concert..at their last tour..Night at the opera...I was in Hildesheim *g* and because we were a bit too early there and waited in the car behind the concert hall we had the luck to meet them...*g*
and I tell you they are really really good live!
But I hate that support act..I thought my ears are going to bleed and than fall off ..it was Freedom call..and as i allready said..I hate this true metal thing...I dont like it when men sing or scream like someone had just ripped their balls of..*urgh*

@ renfiled Glad you like it ,-)
Well I´m not so into metallica but I agree with u that most of the new bands are pretty boring I dont like new-metal at all .. Mnemic is ok I think but the howl rest..no
The bands allready have a lot of albums out too so I might become an oldshool too *lol* I like bands from the north *g* (norway and so on..)

THANKS TO RED NATALIE FOR MOVING THIS!

@wolfshade *lol* i need something like that too ..There is a band shirt saying the same but I just cant remeber now from who it was..

@aenwyn nothing against such a party from my side..
@dogfacedgod
yes a home for you and me and all the others *g*

@desperate elf:
So back to the cd exchange thing...
would an mp3 cd be ok?
Do you want something special (maybe an album from a band you´ve been looking for..)
or shall I just mix some stuff together?
Is there anything you really dont like ?
But it will take me some time cause I´m really busy with school and a friend moving to us these days

Wolfshade, nu-metal sucks...? It depends on what do you call metal and for what do you like it... Becasue there are plenty of defenitions among wich people can utterly, utterly get lost.
I consider that there are no bad musical styles, there are bad musicians( so-called) and bad music.
But on the other hand, we can't but mention Our Great Show Business Industry wich is eating whole trends in modern music and making them UNBELIVEBLEY evil and twisted.
Nu-metal is POPular, and Music Corporations make a lot of money, spreading their music.

The thing is that nu-metal is a fake.
It's all a big make-up fake designed by smart well-paid journalists and corporate advertising managers . THere is no such thing as "nu-metall", there is an artificialy made style. There were a couple of bands who really wanted to create something new on the borders of two( or more) styles and then BIG MAMA POP MACHINE had noticed it and consumed it. And we've got that Linkin Park disease. The same thing happened to grunge...Only very few really , really talented bands managed to keep their souls clear.

I like System of a Down. And I won't call them new metal. Any thoughts?

And franky speaking, we've touched very burning theme- the alternate music. It's very blurred term nowadays, and it has become trendy to call new metall an "alternative" to old, boring hard'n'heavy or "untrue pop-rock"/...
The thing is that Nu metall is as untrue as everything else on MTV(generaly). The real alternate music(to my mind) was created much  earleir in late 60. The last despearete attempt to make something profoundly new was made by Seatle wave...And then...Then we've recived Nu metal. But anyway, there are good modern bands.:) They are few, and they are struggling. But they are.

[ November 26, 2004: Message edited by: Desperate Elf ]

Dear Renfield, you speak like countless amount of Russian Metallica fans!

It's interesting to hear EXACTLY the same words from an English speaking person.

But really, I can't agree with you.
To my humble opinion, the BEST Metallica song is No Leaf Clover and they write it in 1998.
I think when band can't develop it's a dead band. Music is not a firm stone, it s a flowing river. Metallica has searched some new demension, and I'm sure not just becasue they decided to become mainstream and make a lot of money. playing something "easier".  Regretfully, this demension was not so creative and magnificent as their first, but anyway, they tried. And that only proves their worth, for a really good band can't play always good. And moreover something that they've done recently is no less talented.( in my opinioin, of course. Personally, I like Reload album and No Leaf Clover)
The thing is that music should change. I can't listen to Classic Metal now(as Lunar strain), becasue it is so predictable and almost funny.

hmmm...in aiding the quest for something new to listen to, why don't we list the metal we listen to, along with the style.  As I always find that when I'm in a shop that actually has a decent metal section, that I tend to stick to looking at what I know, and I have no idea of even what style the other bands there are, so I'm not often brave enough to pick a CD at random in case I get one full of hardcore growly death metal - and I'm sure there are others who are equally afraid of randomly picking power metal.

So here's what I have -

* Apocalyptica - Heavy metal on 4 cellos, originally a metalica cover band, but in their last two albums they have some brilliant originals.
* Black Sabbath - well, everyone knows sabbath
* Blind Guardian - Power Metal
* Chalice - Doom metal from Australia, with flute and classically trained female vocalist 
* Dream Theatre - Progressive Metal
* Dreamtale - Somewhere between Power and Prog metal, hard to define. Reminiscent of Nightwish but without the female vocals.
* Evensong - doom/prog/gothic with female + male growling combo. Musically wonderful, but the vocals let it down.
* Fates Warning - Progressive Metal, though earlier stuff less so
* Helloween - Speed / Power
* Iced Earth - Something like the perfect combination of (early)Metallica or Megadeth's sound with Iron Maiden's music. Not sure what label that gives them though - just Good Heavy Metal probably.
* Iron Maiden - in a class of their own - though I've heard people call them the original power metal group, not sure if I agree with that though. British heavy metal.
* Judas Priest - British Heavy metal
* Lacuna Coil - I have no idea how to classify these guys - I'm not even sure I would call them metal most of the time, but others do.  Female vocalist, and more of a rock feel than riff based metal feel, but still good stuff.
* Megadeth - another in a class of their own.
* Metallica - need no description
* My Dying Bride - Doom...the guy's voice alone is enough to make you want to slit your wrists.
* Nevermore - Black metal, but with clean vocals - definitely the heaviest I own, but Dead Heart in a Dead World is an excellent album
* Nightwish - My favourite metal band right now - very musical melodic metal with operatic female vocals - they occasionaly stray close to Power Metal, but only occasionaly, and tend towards prog metal too. Their latest album Once is a perfect blending of energetic heavy metal and orchestral sounds and features The Accademy Of St Martin in The Field, and is very remeniscent of a movie soundtrack. Although ironically, the song that probably least sounds like a movie sound track is actually part of one - Wish I had an Angel is on the Alone in the Dark soundtrack.  Also, according to the promotional crap in my copy of Once, they have the no 1 selling album in ANY genre in Europe right now (though that might have been a few months ago).
* Queensryche - another group that's gone through a metallica like transformation over its life - from something between thrash and power metal, through prog metal, and now into  more rock like style.
* Symphony X - I've heard them referred to as Power metal, but the only album I have (The Odyssey) is very much progressive metal.
* Temtris - Aussie heavy metal band with female vocalist - saw them live and just had to find their CD.  Loud and raw 80s sounding metal.
* Within Temptation - Doom / Goth metal with female vocals (she manages to sound disturbingly like Kate Bush at times) that have ditched the vampire references and the death growls and evolved into something fairly unique.
* Wizard - Cheesy Power Metal


EDIT: - I can't believe I missed Nighwish the first time round!

[ November 26, 2004: Message edited by: mabinogi ]

Desperate Elf wrote:

Wolfshade, nu-metal sucks...? It depends on what do you call metal and for what do you like it...
I like System of a Down. And I won't call them new metal. Any thoughts?
[ November 26, 2004: Message edited by: Desperate Elf ]

I'll post my favorite bands later, but I thought I would respond to this one now.  I'm not a nu metal fan.  I'm a displaced american living in Leipzig, Germany (called by some the goth capital of Europe).  A lot of the "goth" places have the typical goth music, and a little black metal (Cradle of Filth) sprinkled in, but also a lot of nu-metal.  Nu-metal is fundamentally cool....good heavy riffs, but has obvious pop/rap influence that simply turns me off.  I do consider System of a Down to be one of the originators of Nu-metal.  But I also consider them to be decent.  I wouldn't go out and get their disk, but I'm not sad when they come on.  A lot of other stuff, though, Linkin Park, Disturbed, and whatever else (I try to stay away), are just unoriginal and not my thing.

Personally, I like growls (and various facsimilies thereof), but I understand that such things are not for everyone.

heh, i listened to metal music a lot, but i more and more lost interest over the years, and almost completely stopped - i never considered myself part of the "metal community(s)" and it´s fashion(s) and style(s), or general attitude(s) - from that aspect, it is just like any other "youth culture" out there, in my humble opinion.

just to throw in something, i think that Nightwish should have disbanded after "Wishmaster".