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- Jendaiya
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To ramble about our stories
Firefox and I seem to like to post stuff about the things we're writing. Maybe others do as well?
Sometimes, depending upon what I'm writing, I can't seem to stop thinking about it, so posting helps. I don't blog, because it feels so lonely, so I thought I'd put a thread up here so we could rant and rave and offer support or comments or whatever.
Once again, it's a bit too early in the morning for me to be thinking clearly. I hope I made sense. :)
Beauty will save the world.
~Prince Myshkin,
The Idiot, by Dostoevsky
- Firefox
- Pilgrim
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Re: To ramble about our stories
I do blog my writing, but often enough it feels like I'm shrieking to the wind.
At least this way it's more like shrieking at the backs of the folks who're rapidly vacating whichever room I'm in!
Waahoo! ;)
I love reading about what goes on in other writers' heads. It makes my plights seem almost ... normal?
I mean, this is the forum "where word-smiths talk shop." I swear, I could go on all ruddy day if someone let me.
(Edit:) But then I'd get no writing done!
[ September 22, 2004: Message edited by: Quailish no-Firefox ]
"Put it before them briefly so they will read it, clearly so they will appreciate it, picturesquely so they will remember it and, above all, accurately so they will be guided by its light." --Joseph Pulitzer
- Jendaiya
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Re: To ramble about our stories
Sometimes I feel I could talk all day about something I've written, other days I want it to be a secret. Dunno why, really.
I'm just excited about my latest project, I suppose. It's fun; the characters are presenting me with all sorts of possibilities and the world is still holds so much promise.
Somehow I find that I need certain music for writing this story. Each character has theme songs that help me with the feeling that I want them to generate. Or something like that.
I'm loving this storyline, too. I don't suppose it's anything original, but it's *mine*. I've been working on this series, on and off, for four years(?). It's finally time to write it and it feels so wonderful to finally set it free.
(reading requests welcome *g*)
Beauty will save the world.
~Prince Myshkin,
The Idiot, by Dostoevsky
- Jendaiya
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Re: To ramble about our stories
I can't find the right music today, so I'm having trouble.
How lame is that?
Beauty will save the world.
~Prince Myshkin,
The Idiot, by Dostoevsky
- bumadax
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Re: To ramble about our stories
Music is oGd.
I can't talk about stories I'm writing because 1) I'm not writing anything, and 2) Whenever I do write something and talk about it, the magic is lost and I lose all motivation.
So whether I'm writing anything or not shall forever remain unknown to all until it is published or never ever spoken of. How mysterious... Maybe I should write a... nevermind.
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- Jendaiya
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Re: To ramble about our stories
I can't talk about my story. I can talk about writing it. Make sense?
Beauty will save the world.
~Prince Myshkin,
The Idiot, by Dostoevsky
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Re: To ramble about our stories
Then what the heck is wrong with me!? I could discuss my stories day in and day out, whether I've begun them or not! ;)
Like Little Death. I haven't even finished the first chapter, but already it's spinning circles in my head. A young girl - introduces her when she's maybe 12, picks up when she's 16 - is crazily gifted as an assassin, not only due to her uncanny knack for stealth, but because she can ... haven't really picked a word for it yet ... shift her reality, slip into the world of the dead temporarily, then slip back. (And the possibility of getting stuck for a time goes without saying. High jinks ensue.)
(The world of the dead precisely mirrors the world of the living - with one obvious difference. She first discovers the ability while hiding in a graveyard. Oh, the horror!)
And, see? I've dropped the ball! The cat's out of the bag! I've just given this story idea tangible substance for the first time ever. I think it's going to be the one I use for NaNo.
Huzzah!
As for music painting characters or a story in general ... I honestly can't say that's happened for me before. Whenever I need a moment's inspiration for a character, I close my eyes (sometimes figuratively, sometimes literally) and try to roll through the scene as if it were a scene in a movie. An instantaneous rewind button is of course a must.
That pretty much goes for all of my writing, though, even silly stuff like - as I was slaving away on this afternoon - combat, i.e. swordplay. It makes for some interesting results.
(See? All ruddy day!)
[ September 22, 2004: Message edited by: Quailish no-Firefox ]
"Put it before them briefly so they will read it, clearly so they will appreciate it, picturesquely so they will remember it and, above all, accurately so they will be guided by its light." --Joseph Pulitzer
- Jendaiya
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Re: To ramble about our stories
I do the same thing to see a scene--close my eyes and view it. Other scenes just come to me while I'm writing, which is what I did for the first five chapters of this story.
I picked a name, visualised the person and chose a theme word (they've become chapter titles) and then just wrote whatever came from it.
Each chapter is incomplete, I have to go back and finish them. One I stupidly cliffhung and I nearly screamed when I reread it and came to the end, so I have to fix it.
See? This is me talking about writing without talking about the story. ;p
Beauty will save the world.
~Prince Myshkin,
The Idiot, by Dostoevsky
- Jendaiya
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I have 38 manuscript pages. I can't remember my word count, but it didn't go up much today, because it was a thinking day. Why did that make me feel like Winnie-The-Pooh?
Beauty will save the world.
~Prince Myshkin,
The Idiot, by Dostoevsky
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But what you're supposed to say is, "Ferdinand was being borne down upon by scythe-wielding maniacs on mechanized roosters with no chance of escape ... but two chapters on, Ferdy still had all of his limbs attached! Something had to give."
Y'know!?
"Put it before them briefly so they will read it, clearly so they will appreciate it, picturesquely so they will remember it and, above all, accurately so they will be guided by its light." --Joseph Pulitzer
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- Pilgrim
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Re: To ramble about our stories
Most of my days are Eeyore days, so don't feel bad.
"Put it before them briefly so they will read it, clearly so they will appreciate it, picturesquely so they will remember it and, above all, accurately so they will be guided by its light." --Joseph Pulitzer
- Jendaiya
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Yesterday I was trying to decide who was gonna live and who was gonna die. Today I was trying to figure out how to get 'em to that spot.
This story, so far, has a surprisingly low body count. Usually I have to hold myself back from having to write, "And they all died, the end."
Nine books. That's what four years of planning/outlining/plotting gets ya. I'm stupid.
Beauty will save the world.
~Prince Myshkin,
The Idiot, by Dostoevsky
- ceywren
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Re: To ramble about our stories
I'm the same as you in that, Jen: I can't talk about the story, but I can talk about writing it.
I have trouble keeping a lot of my characters alive, too. I mean, you have to kill some, and the "romance" (<---badly chosen word) behind killing off a major character is just so intense. But then what do you do after you kill them? "Oh crap, I still needed her to [insert important mission here]." So what I would do, on days when I foudn myself stuck on soemthing or just unable to write, I would go back and write all kinds of horribly depressing death scenes for all my characters just to get the whole urge to kill them off out of the way. I figure, even if it doesn't contribute to the story in any palpable way, at least I get to practice my pathetic-uber-tragedy voice that I like to try to keep out of my actual writing. It helps to unwind at the very least, and if I'm PMSing it's also nice to have that cry ;)
"It's not that it's such a mystery This new-found malaise. It's just that this mystery Has taken your place."
-Gordon Downie, Mystery-
- ceywren
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"It's not that it's such a mystery This new-found malaise. It's just that this mystery Has taken your place."
-Gordon Downie, Mystery-
- bumadax
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Re: To ramble about our stories
So I've written...
*checks*
870 words in about 20+ minutes of a short story which is to be 17,000 or less. It's for a scholarship. I'm taking the approach of writing it for myself. I won't talk about any of the content, but it's kind of cathartic for me. When I feel like whining, putting characters into an allegorical context and writing about how they're feeling makes me feel like I'm writing a journal entry while killing a second bird with the same stone, which is the meeting of criteria for any decent piece of literature: commenting on the human condition.
So yeah, I'm writing something. It's crap, but it's something.
[ September 22, 2004: Message edited by: Max listens to Bjork to get high ]
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- Pilgrim
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Re: To ramble about our stories
That's awesome, Max. Just keep those pretty words flowing. Once you're doing that, everything else comes in the bag. It doesn't even matter if it is crap; after all, all it takes to turn graphite into diamond is a little extra squeezing! Right? ;)
"Put it before them briefly so they will read it, clearly so they will appreciate it, picturesquely so they will remember it and, above all, accurately so they will be guided by its light." --Joseph Pulitzer
- Rajan
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I'm working on my novel, which now looks like it will go beyond one book. I originally envisioned it as one, but as I come up with new plot threads and flesh out the characters and situations, I find that it's already getting pretty long and I think it may be two at least. I want to avoid a trilogy because it's not really that kind of thing.
I'm getting a little worried, though, because I don't outline and I'm trying to carefully manage the plot threads as I write them. I can always go back later and tweak things, but it's definitely more difficult than other stories I've done.
The other challenge for me is that after working almost exclusively on short stories for several years, I'm used to dealing with small numbers of characters, while now I'm dealing with many more. Thankfully I'm keeping a pretty tight POV which helps focus things.
I'm currently at about 57K words and I'd say about halfway through. That, however, might change as I go back and revise the first few chapters (which desperately need changing).
I don't know if there's any point to this post, but that's where I'm at.
I seem to have lost the motivation for short stories at this point...
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Do you mean 57K is halfway through of what you now think will be the first book, or halfway through the story which you think should become two books?
114K words is a very nice size for a book. 80K is somethng of an accepted minimum for anything that's not Young Adult or Children's fiction.
"Put it before them briefly so they will read it, clearly so they will appreciate it, picturesquely so they will remember it and, above all, accurately so they will be guided by its light." --Joseph Pulitzer
- Jendaiya
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It's good to hear you're working on a novel, Raj. I was wondering if you were doing something like that. :)
I've never been much of a short story person. Not that I don't write them--I do, fairly often, actually--but I don't have an affinity for them. They seem to require more art than I'm capable of dredging up.
I'll stick to novels. Much easier.
Beauty will save the world.
~Prince Myshkin,
The Idiot, by Dostoevsky
- Jendaiya
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Raj wrote:
I'm getting a little worried, though, because I don't outline and I'm trying to carefully manage the plot threads as I write them. I can always go back later and tweak things, but it's definitely more difficult than other stories I've done.
I don't have this particular novel outlined. (I'm hoping that if I call it a novel the other two books will vanish and it will no longer be a trilogy). I'm working from a general synopsis. Only the last three books in the series are seriously outlined and stuff.
You know what feels really stoooopid? To be sitting here saying that I'm writing this long series, as if I were trying to emulate RJ or something.
I'm not, and I feel that I always have to explain myself because on some level it feels somehow shameful. Does that make sense? As if I had this illusion of myself as this incredible fantasy writer who was about to publish some epic series.
It's a story that started from an image and grew to massive preportions. I feel that I should work really hard to try to cut it down and make it into a few one-shots. It's strangely embarrassing. I apparently don't have the ego to sustain my stories.
It's also not the only novel I'm working on. So in addition to my nine-volume fantasy series I've got a one-shot fantasy story and a general fiction novel (Canadian Lit is what we call it at the bookstore) that I'm writing as well. I've shelved my sci-fi story for the time being. It was getting bogged down somehow and I couldn't figure out how to fix it.
Meh. Back to writing. I'm at a transition part. I hate that kind of stuff. I must figure out how to use the next scenes to my advantage. What do I want them to say...?
[ September 23, 2004: Message edited by: Jendaiya ]
Beauty will save the world.
~Prince Myshkin,
The Idiot, by Dostoevsky
- Miiru
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Quailish no-Firefox wrote:But what you're supposed to say is, "Ferdinand was being borne down upon by scythe-wielding maniacs on mechanized roosters with no chance of escape ... but two chapters on, Ferdy still had all of his limbs attached! Something had to give."
Y'know!?
Dare you to write THAT for NaNo. *g*
I'm chewing on NaNo ideas; there are one or two that have sort of percolated to the fore, as it were. I'm hoping I have the energy for it this year. I started it last year just as my life got down to the business of well and truly falling apart to be put back together again in not-entirely-wholly-different shapes.
Things seem at least marginally more stable this time around. We shall see, I suppose.
What I need is someone to throw ideas at and talk them over to really get things rolling- what I've got are just little proto-ideas; suggestions of could-be-stories. I need to make them more concrete.
Ted Kennedy in a speedo is just another sign of the coming apocalypse. -wiked
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I'm actually writing two novels as well. Well, I've written a draft of one and am working on another. The draft is still on the short side, though, and I'm going back in to fix it up and add some more description and characterization as I go.
I have to say that I find the revision process for the novel a lot harder than writing it.
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Raj wrote:I seem to have lost the motivation for short stories at this point...
Anytime I try to write a short story, I wind up going WAY over anything that could be defined as "short". I've a fanfiction (don't shoot me!!) about halfway finished right now at not-quite-30k.
Conceivably, that 'halfway' is quite a bit short of that mark, as well.
Sigh.
I tried writing a 100 word drabble as a challenge, about two months ago. The first draft of it was not quite 400 words. I really thought I'd kept it to about a hundred. Heh. Boy was I suprised. :D
Ted Kennedy in a speedo is just another sign of the coming apocalypse. -wiked
- Jendaiya
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My short stories are always ultra short. I can't seem to make them very long. Dunno why.
Miiru, if you wanna throw ideas around at me, I'd be happy to listen. :)
Beauty will save the world.
~Prince Myshkin,
The Idiot, by Dostoevsky
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I've one short story on the back-burner right now. It's a sci-fi piece about a guy who crashes his ship into a Dyson sphere, busts his FTL drive, and spends a few thousand words trying to get it fixed, but nobody seems to know how the bloody thing operated in the first place...
The working title is "Tachyon 251." ;)
(No, it's not tongue-in-cheek! No, sirree! Not a chance!)
"Put it before them briefly so they will read it, clearly so they will appreciate it, picturesquely so they will remember it and, above all, accurately so they will be guided by its light." --Joseph Pulitzer
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