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#51 2004-01-22 09:00:00

Peter
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Re: Chaven's tower

Btw, try out 3DMark2001 first. It's a much smaller download and you'll spend much less time with it. And you could use that time to download the other Demo ;)

I'd suggest getting the newest ATI drivers as well. Which is always a good idea :)

I'd be interested in the exact stats of our graphics card as well, but the 3DMark scores should give me a good idea anyway.


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#52 2004-01-22 09:21:00

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Re: Chaven's tower

Yep - I'd buy a 2400 or 2600 if I did it again. Twas a case of "ooh lets spend money" back in July.

The motherboard is fine, but you might want to consider how much you really need all the ports and connections. Then buy the A7N8X instead.

(For example, integrated RAID - lovely feature, no doubt, but I've currently no need for all the storage space; dual lan ports - buy a router :) ).


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#53 2004-01-22 12:19:00

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Re: Chaven's tower

There's one reason to buy the Deluxe Model: If you want to use the onboard sound for gaming. The normal model only contains a normal AC97 codec but not the nVidia APU.


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#54 2004-01-22 13:22:00

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Re: Chaven's tower

I had some trouble finding a site that would actually let my Mozilla download that benchmark.

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#55 2004-01-22 14:01:00

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Re: Chaven's tower

Hmph, couldn't even find a way to copy it. Oh well, here she is:

1024x768x32
3DMark Score -> 8565
Game1 - Car Chase - Low Detail -> 102.8 fps
Game1 - Car Chase - High Detail -> 52.1 fps
Game2 - Dragothic - Low Detail -> 132.0 fps
Game2 - Dragothic - High Detail -> 78.6 fps
Game3 - Lobby - Low Detail -> 135.5 fps
Game3 - Lobby - High Detail -> 70.0 fps
Game 4 - Nature -> 42.5 fps
Fill Rate (Single-Texturing) -> 639.2 MTexels/s
Fill Rate (Multi-Texturing) -> 1266.5 MTexels/s
High Polygon count (1 Light) -> 35.6 MTriangles/s
High Polygon count (8 Lights) -> 8.2 MTriangles/s
Environment Bump Mapping -> 151.1 fps
DOT3 Bump Mapping -> 89.8 fps
Vertex Shader -> 107.1 fps
Pixel Shader -> 136.5 fps
Advanced Pixel Shader -> 83.6 fps

Not that any of this means anything to me, but the pictures sure looked nice. :)

yalahii.


640x480x32
3DMark Score -> 11861
Game1 - Car Chase - Low Detail -> 137.8 fps
Game1 - Car Chase - High Detail -> 62.6 fps
Game2 - Dragothic - Low Detail -> 219.9.0 fps
Game2 - Dragothic - High Detail -> 110.1 fps
Game3 - Lobby - Low Detail -> 171.9 fps
Game3 - Lobby - High Detail -> 76.3 fps
Game 4 - Nature -> 79.2 fps

1600x1200x32
3DMark Score -> 4352
Game1 - Car Chase - Low Detail -> 55.7 fps
Game1 - Car Chase - High Detail -> 33.7 fps
Game2 - Dragothic - Low Detail -> 59.3 fps
Game2 - Dragothic - High Detail -> 42.5 fps
Game3 - Lobby - Low Detail -> 58.0 fps
Game3 - Lobby - High Detail -> 36.4 fps
Game 4 - Nature -> 18.5 fps

[ January 23, 2004: Message edited by: Sahi ]


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#56 2004-01-23 03:24:00

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Re: Chaven's tower

So is this good, Peter?

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#57 2004-01-23 04:20:00

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Re: Chaven's tower

Don't you have to specify a resolution?


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#58 2004-01-23 04:39:00

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Re: Chaven's tower

1024 x 768, but it detected that by itself.

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#59 2004-01-23 06:37:00

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Re: Chaven's tower

Ok, so those are the default Benchmark values, and they do indicate that they used the cheapest (and slowest) version of the 9600 they could get their hands on.

As I mentioned before, it would be helpful to try: a) running it at 640x480x32, making the benchmark mostly CPU bound and b) running it at 1600x1200x32, which makes it mostly graphics card bound.

At 1024 it's a pretty good blend between graphics and CPU bound for most computers.


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#60 2004-01-23 06:45:00

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Re: Chaven's tower

Ah, oke. I'm using 1024x768, so I thought that would be the proper setting to test it on. Silly me. :)

I'll try again tonight.

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#61 2004-01-23 07:21:00

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Re: Chaven's tower

Well, if you test at just one resolution, yes, that's the right one to use :)

The benchmark always defaults to that resolution, no matter what you've set for your desktop. All "official" results must be obtained with those settings...


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#62 2004-01-23 07:26:00

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Re: Chaven's tower

Ah, so it was a 'coincidence' that the settings were correct. :)

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#63 2004-01-23 08:17:00

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Re: Chaven's tower

Ok, going to post my scores here...

1024x768x32, no AA, no AF (default settings)

Code:

11,600 3DMarks

Car Chase - Low Detail         187.0
            High                72.8
Dragothic - Low                176.4
            High               104.4
Lobby       Low                167.5
            High                83.5
Nature                          53.9

Fillrate Single Texturing   926 MT/s
         Multi             2088 MT/s

High Poly 1 Light          51.4 Mtri
          4 Lights         11.6 Mtri

Env. Bump Mapping              151.5
DOT3                           130.7
Vertex Shader                   90.2
Pixel Shader                   111.6
Advanced Pixel Shader           77.6

Point Sprites              26.6 MS/s

I'll post results for 640 and 1600 a bit later. No need to report anything beyond the 4 game benchmarks though, you can even tell 3DMark to skip the tests, to save a bit of time.

The other tests stress the graphics card only, and thus don't tell anything new when changing the resolution.


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#64 2004-01-23 08:21:00

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Re: Chaven's tower

So all I need to test are the 4 games? I'll do that tonight, then.

Yalahii.


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#65 2004-01-23 08:37:00

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Re: Chaven's tower

640x480x32, no AA, no AF

Code:

14,022 3DMarks

Car Chase - Low Detail         208.3
            High                69.0
Dragothic - Low                249.0
            High               131.2
Lobby       Low                188.5
            High                86.6
Nature                          91.4

1600x1200x32, no AA, no AF

Code:

6,972 3DMarks

Car Chase - Low Detail         102.3
            High                58.3
Dragothic - Low                 96.2
            High                66.8
Lobby       Low                 93.6
            High                53.7
Nature                          23.7

It is clearly visible, that the High Detail tests are mostly CPU bound (Lobby is a bit different due to the reflecting floor), whereas Nature and the Low Detail tests stress the graphics card.


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#66 2004-01-23 08:38:00

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Re: Chaven's tower

Yep :)

They're the only ones that affect the total score. The other tests are interesting as well, but the 1024 results are sufficient...


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#67 2004-01-23 11:00:00

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Re: Chaven's tower

I've edited my original post to add the new scores.

yalahii.


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#68 2004-01-23 12:32:00

Peter
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Re: Chaven's tower

Ouch... your CPU is holding up well enough (though I suspect the memory timings aren't set correctly), but the graphics card tests aren't all that good.

Looks like this is a 9600 SE or a 9600 with very slow memory timings. The ATI control panel might tell you the exact model, as well as the memory and chip clock... (you might also want to download the newst drivers from ATI's site, they've fixed tons of problems in the last few months).

Of course you don't really need to know those things, but I am curious :)

The card should still hold up quite well in future games, probably better than mine (which was good for it's time, but is a generation behind yours technology wise).


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#69 2004-01-23 12:42:00

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Re: Chaven's tower

wow. this is technobable way beyond me.


cool. :)

 

#70 2004-01-23 12:51:00

Stuart
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Re: Chaven's tower

I'm still waiting for Mrs Baker card to make my family happy!  I'm not too sure about her refresh rate.


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#71 2004-01-23 13:04:00

Peter
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Re: Chaven's tower

???
I didn't say anything complicated yet, did I?
;))


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#72 2004-01-23 13:16:00

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Re: Chaven's tower

yes. you said, "computer."

:D

 

#73 2004-01-23 14:05:00

Peter
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Re: Chaven's tower

You'd better be glad I didn't start talking about programming topics, or went into any detail on 3D graphics... ;)


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#74 2004-01-23 14:52:00

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Re: Chaven's tower

Peter that spellforce game has got me hooked. I've just finished the tutorial and killed every monster there was.

Yalahii.


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#75 2004-01-23 15:03:00

Peter
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Re: Chaven's tower

How many missions are there in Demo? Or aren't you done yet?

Anyway, I'm sorry! ;) Don't know if the english version is even available yet... (german developer studio)

In any case, does it run well on your new computer? I think it should, but you'll probably get the best results when you turn the resolution down to 800x600x32 (I know I have to...).


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