- bandit
- Pilgrim
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Seven Samurai...I er, *breaks down* I never watched it! I make a tradition of ditching everytime it's being shown cause it's so loooong - with no intermission. My butt would go numb. /confession
Let's see...Birth of a Nation is excruciating unless you're into film history. The Bicycle Thief and 8 1/2 are spifftastic. Greed is one of the best movies I've ever seen, and it's not even complete. Erich Von Stroheim (the director) wound up filming @ 8 hours worth of movie, and then had a friend pare it down to 3. But he and the studio had some kind of grudge thing going on, and one of the execs had it cut to an hour and a half and burned the rest of the film so that it can never be seen in it's intended form. *cries bitter tears*
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- Damon
- Pilgrim
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We watched it over two nights, an hour and a half-ish each time (and this was the proper 206 minute version, not the shorter ones often displayed in America). Thanks for the inside info: I may just chuck in Birth of a Nation for now. Any other suggestions? The only condition is that it has to be good, and be available from the local uni library.
Age of film, language of film, not a bother.
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- bandit
- Pilgrim
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Any films? Or silent era films?
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- Jaime
- Pilgrim
- From: Wilmington, NC
- Registered: 2001-06-01
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I saw Birth of a Nation in 11th grade American History. We all got a chuckle out of the Endless Ride of the KKK, and were sadly amused at the white guys in blackface.
Yield to temptation; it may not pass your way again.
-- Heinlein
- bandit
- Pilgrim
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Let's see.
The 400 Blows Do the Right Thing Nosferatu
Almost ready to leave work, I'll get back to you with more later tonight.
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- Captain Roberto Fruitbat
- Pilgrim
- From: Berlin
- Registered: 2001-06-08
- Posts: 1314
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The Birth of a Nation is a major milestone in the development of the medium film. Griffith essentially came up with the language we´re used to today, employing close ups, pans, travellings etc for the first time. For entertainment value check out his Way Down East with it´s breathtaking finale on the frozen river and of course Lillian Gish.
A few recommendations in no particular order:
Anything by Kurosawa especially Stray Dog, Rashomon, Yojimbo, Sanjuro, Throne of Blood, The Hidden Fortress and High and Low.
Other classic japanese directors worth checking out are Ozu and Mizoguchi
Buster Keaton, both the short film and the ten feature films especially Our Hospitality, The Navigator, Sherlock Jr, The General and Steamboat Bill Jr. Skip Chaplin, Keaton is the true master.
Michael Powell and Emeric Pressburger especially The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp and Powell´s Peeping Tom.
Anything by Jean Renoir, the greatest director who ever lived.
Carl Dreyer´s Vampyr
Roma, Citta Aperta by Rossellini
Truffaut´s 400 Blows, L´enfant sauvage, Jules et Jim and La chambre verte
more french cinema: Pepe le Moko, Le jour se leve, Quai des brume and other 1930s stuff by directors like Rene Clair, Julien Duvivier and Marcel Carné
Jean Pierre Melville, especially Armee des ombres, Le deuxieme souffle, Le cercle rouge
Touch of Evil by Orson Welles
Ingmar Bergman is a must too. Some of his pre 1960 films are actually comedies. Some of those made after 1960 are very very bleak indeed. If you can find it check out Kvinnors Väntan. The scene with Gunnar Björnstrand end Eva Dahlbeck getting stuck in an elevator beats every Hollywood screwball comedy hands down.
John Ford´s The Searchers and Howard Hawks Rio Bravo
D.O.A. by Rudolph Mate
"I want to report a murder." "Who was murdered?" "I was."
and last but not least some german movies that most likely are impossible to find: Unter den Brücken and Grosse Freiheit Nr 7, both by Helmut Käutner
insects are not always going to be bullied by humanity some day they will revolt i am already organizing a revolutionary society to be known as the worms turnverein
- Libbette
- Pilgrim
- Registered: 2001-06-29
- Posts: 13412
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Psychadelic Paragon wrote: Plus I don't believe there is an Amazon Australia.
Heh. We're still a bit behind the times (or just the demand), too. There is a Google Australia, though. And an eBay Aus.
- bandit
- Pilgrim
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To Continue -
Broken Blossoms the Cabinet of Dr. Caligari The Gold Rush The Battleship Potmekin The Grand Illusion The African Queen All About Eve Bonnie and Clyde Any and all Alfred Hitchcock Richard III The Three Musketeers The Four Musketeers (both versions with Michael York and Oliver Reed and Raquel Welch) Singing in the Rain Chinatown Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? sunset boulevard the quiet man camilla some like it hot doctor zhivago deliverance badlands amadeus any and all David Lynch
That's all I could find that Massey has. That database is hard to navigate btw. }:(
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- bandit
- Pilgrim
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And all of Harvey's recommendations are good, if you can find any of them.
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- Damon
- Pilgrim
- From: enzed
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Wow, thanks guys. I'll try to see as many as possible.
(btw, Bandit, yes, yes it is a bad interface. I should have recommended searching by title, as that seems to be the best way to get it to work.)
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- bandit
- Pilgrim
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Crow: I think Ray Liotta would make an okay werewolf. Tom Servo: No, he smells like apples. - MST3K
- bandit
- Pilgrim
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Crayon Mini-Rant #1
I need to learn to speak spanish.
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- bandit
- Pilgrim
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Crayon Mini-Rant #2
I need to change my name. Running the gamut of questions "What's your name? How do you pronounce that? What nationality is it? What the hell was wrong with your parents? Are you irish? Isn't that a black person's name? How do you spell it? And it's pronounced like that? Does it have some family significance? etc." AD NAUSEUM is getting to be, after 21 years, tiresome.
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- dragondawn
- Pilgrim
- From: mi vida loca
- Registered: 2001-06-04
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now, now....you can't leave us with a rant like that and not tell us your name. *grin*
My religion is to live and die without regret. ~ Milarepa
- bandit
- Pilgrim
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Ha ha ha! Sure I can! Watch this!
<-------------is not revealing hated name
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- bandit
- Pilgrim
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Plus I'm afraid if I reveal my name then when I come to get your first born you can banish me. I hate when that happens.
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- dragondawn
- Pilgrim
- From: mi vida loca
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but i'm not going to have children....
My religion is to live and die without regret. ~ Milarepa
- bandit
- Pilgrim
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You say that now. But someday you'll meet the right man and you'll *want* to settle down and pop out babies! Uh, I think I just channeled my grandmother.
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- jaded
- Pilgrim
- Registered: 2001-08-19
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bandit. ew.
i've found a right man and settled down. i still have no urge to pop out babies. i'm kinda opposed to reproduction of the human species. too damn many people as it is.
- JustCharlotte
- Pilgrim
- From: New Zealand
- Registered: 2002-02-21
- Posts: 1727
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Dear Rumpelstiltskin,
I just want to say that your name is cool. You could try and find another name but you could never find another name that would be as perfect for you. I mean, your parents must have lovingly pondered for months to find the most special name that they could for their precious little bundle of joy. And to have a name so unique that hardly anyone else has heard of it or can even pronounce it is even cooler! I mean, you could have been called Janet, Jane, Jean, Joan or Agnes or something. Dorcas is the worst girl's name I've ever heard of. So things aren't so bad.
Yours sincerely Generic Agony Aunt
PS - I have your name on file, in case you ever harbour malicious thoughts against my first-born.
- bandit
- Pilgrim
- From: Palmerston North, NZ
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*deep breath* AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! What, does everyone have to know?! Or did I already knew you knew? I thought only Binky was the possessor of the dreaded moniker. What the hell'd you do Ellis, tell half your friggin country? I *so* owe you a hurtz donut. For the rest of you - a warning. My name causes severe explosive diarrhea, and um...boils! Yes, boils. And locusts.
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- JustCharlotte
- Pilgrim
- From: New Zealand
- Registered: 2002-02-21
- Posts: 1727
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Bandit wrote: Or did I already knew you knew?
[calmly] Yes [/calmly]
Hmm and for the record, Damon didn't tell me, I guessed - I'm nosy like that. He only confirmed (unintentionally, I might add) that my guess was accurate. So don't hurt him too much!
[ May 31, 2003: Message edited by: JustCharlotte ]
- Tiny
- Pilgrim
- From: New Zealand
- Registered: 2001-06-01
- Posts: 710
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Bandit, I still don't know your name. But I'll trade you for it ... how about a photo of Paragon?
:)
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