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#451 2001-11-14 09:33:00

rimses
Pilgrim
From: Uqbar
Registered: 2001-06-19
Posts: 5286

Re: Flick

Peter is a mint-poster with that "i have to show up in the greenhouse too" addition :-)

where´s Strange?

 

#452 2001-11-14 09:33:00

rimses
Pilgrim
From: Uqbar
Registered: 2001-06-19
Posts: 5286

Re: Flick

Peter is a mint-poster with that "i have to show up in the greenhouse too" addition :-)

where´s Strange?

 

#453 2001-11-14 09:33:00

rimses
Pilgrim
From: Uqbar
Registered: 2001-06-19
Posts: 5286

Re: Flick

Peter is a mint-poster with that "i have to show up in the greenhouse too" addition :-)

where´s Strange?

 

#454 2001-11-14 09:33:00

rimses
Pilgrim
From: Uqbar
Registered: 2001-06-19
Posts: 5286

Re: Flick

Peter is a mint-poster with that "i have to show up in the greenhouse too" addition :-)

where´s Strange?

 

#455 2001-11-14 09:33:00

rimses
Pilgrim
From: Uqbar
Registered: 2001-06-19
Posts: 5286

Re: Flick

Peter is a mint-poster with that "i have to show up in the greenhouse too" addition :-)

where´s Strange?

 

#456 2001-11-14 09:33:00

rimses
Pilgrim
From: Uqbar
Registered: 2001-06-19
Posts: 5286

Re: Flick

Peter is a mint-poster with that "i have to show up in the greenhouse too" addition :-)

where´s Strange?

 

#457 2001-11-14 09:33:00

rimses
Pilgrim
From: Uqbar
Registered: 2001-06-19
Posts: 5286

Re: Flick

Peter is a mint-poster with that "i have to show up in the greenhouse too" addition :-)

where´s Strange?

 

#458 2001-11-14 09:34:00

strangeshe
Hierarch
From: Texas
Registered: 2001-06-04
Posts: 11251

Re: Flick

Qantaqa wrote:

Hi SS....so there are Native American ones too? I thought totems related to clan or family...at least thats what they taught in Canada...

There are a couple books out there (Sun Bear's comes to mind) that came out during the popularity peak of all things Native American & New Agey. The totems-according-to-a-Western-Zodiac-Wheel thing is not, afaik, part of Native American spirituality. You're correct that totems -- North American, that is -- are usually determined by clan & family. If you're interested in the totem-wheel thing, I'll go find my book info (it's not at my desk at the mo).

It may not be traditional, but it's sort of interesting to read. To me, it seems fairly obvious that the authors have just taken the Western Zodiac & associated animal traits (and a "totem" plant & some other stuff) with the traits traditionally assigned to Taurus, Aries, Aquarius, whatever.

 

#459 2001-11-14 09:34:00

midge
Pilgrim
From: BC
Registered: 2001-08-15
Posts: 8624

Re: Flick

Peter wrote:

50,000 words, that would be ~50 pages? I'm not a writer... I've got other forms of insanity :)

*adopts old voice again*
"Why in my day we used to write 50,000 wrods before breakfast...mind you those tablets that Moses fellow brought us were pretty concise..."

You'd have to use a pretty small font to get 1000 words on a page...the average is around 600 for essay writing.

 

#460 2001-11-14 09:35:00

strangeshe
Hierarch
From: Texas
Registered: 2001-06-04
Posts: 11251

Re: Flick

Good Lord!! Another room blew up!
*goes to make another QM*

 

#461 2001-11-14 09:37:00

ElderTurtle
Pilgrim
From: Lexington, KY USA
Registered: 2001-06-12
Posts: 5974
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Re: Flick

Qantaqa wrote:

....so there are Native American ones too? I thought totems related to clan or family...at least thats what they taught in Canada...

Again, my knowledge of such matters is very broad, vague, general, and spotty - and therefore quite possibly entirely wrong.  However, my understanding of the matter of "Totem" animals is that there are any number of ways of determining what a person's particular "Totem" is (or, sometimes are - some mystics in this tradition subscribe to the idea of a single "main" totem, others to a number of "major" and "minor" totems.)  Some times totems are based on linage - entire clans may associate themselves with a totem.  However frequently the individual will have "private" Totems (either in addition to or in place of this totem.) 

Finding out what these private totems are can range from taking drug induced dream-vision-quests and seeing which of the beasties seems to like/guard/guide you, to consulting with a Shaman, to throwing bones or cards, to simply figuring out which animals you just "identify with."  The whole mental excercise of "if I wasn an animal, what would I be?" - with the understanding that thus-and-such animal is associated with/representative of thus-and-such traits.

The occasion I had someone try to help me determine my totems, it involved a near-random determination of a slew of "minor" totems (something like 8 or 10) and my carefully considering the aspects of all the possible totems detailed and figuring out which I felt "resonated" most strongly with my own personality.

I ultimately wound up with "Turtle" as the totem expressing my emotional, supportive, passive, more "feminine" side and "Crow" as the intellectual, spiritual, active, more "masculine" side.

Again ... fun stuff to dabble in!

Cordially,

ElderTurtle (P.o.W.)


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