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#1 2016-08-14 03:16:51

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Osten Ard Reading Order

A. Reading Order (by internal chronology)


Volume 0.50 (Prequel)
The Shadow of Things to Come (forthcoming) Novel (a prequel set 500 years before the events in The Dragonbone Chair detailing the fall of Asu´a)

Volume 0.75 (Prequel)   
"The Burning Man" (published 1998) Novella (takes place roughly 300 years before the events in The Dragonbone Chair)

Volume 1.00 (Memory, Sorrow and Thorn, book 1)    
The Dragonbone Chair (published 1988) Novel

Volume 2.00 (Memory, Sorrow and Thorn, book 2)   
Stone of Farewell (published 1990) Novel

Volume 3.00 (Memory, Sorrow and Thorn, book 3)   
To Green Angel Tower (published 1993) Novel (hardcover version)

Volume 3.10 To Green Angel Tower Part 1 (US, published 1994)[In the UK this was published as To Green Angel Tower: Siege] Novel (paperback version)*

Volume 3.20 To Green Angel Tower Part 2 (US, published 1994) [In the UK this was published as To Green Angel Tower: Storm] Novel (paperback version)*

Volume 3.50 (sequel/prequel)   
The Heart of What Was Lost (forthcoming January 2017) Novel (direct sequel to To Green Angel Tower and bridge to The Witchwood Crown)

Volume 4.00 (The Last King of Osten Ard, book 1)
The Witchwood Crown (forthcoming April 2017) Novel (30 years after To Green Angel Tower)

Volume 5.00 (The Last King of Osten Ard, book 2)   
Empire of Grass (forthcoming) Novel

Volume 6.00 (The Last King of Osten Ard, book 3)   
The Navigator´s Children (forthcoming) Novel



B. Reading Order (by publication chronology)

Volume 1.00 (Memory, Sorrow and Thorn, book 1)    
The Dragonbone Chair (published 1988) Novel

Volume 2.00 (Memory, Sorrow and Thorn, book 2)   
Stone of Farewell (published 1990) Novel

Volume 3.00 (Memory, Sorrow and Thorn, book 3)   
To Green Angel Tower (published 1993) Novel (hardcover version)

Volume 3.10 To Green Angel Tower Part 1 (US, published 1994)[In the UK this was published as To Green Angel Tower: Siege] Novel (paperback version)*

Volume 3.20 To Green Angel Tower Part 2 (US, published 1994) [In the UK this was published as To Green Angel Tower: Storm] Novel (paperback version)*

Volume 0.75 (Prequel)   
"The Burning Man" (published 1998) Novella (takes place roughly 300 years before the events in The Dragonbone Chair)

Volume 3.50 (sequel/prequel)   
The Heart of What Was Lost (forthcoming January 2017) Novel (direct sequel to To Green Angel Tower and bridge to The Witchwood Crown)

Volume 4.00 (The Last King of Osten Ard, book 1)
The Witchwood Crown (forthcoming April 2017) Novel (30 years after To Green Angel Tower)

Volume 5.00 (The Last King of Osten Ard, book 2)   
Empire of Grass (forthcoming) Novel

Volume 0.50 (Prequel)
The Shadow of Things to Come (forthcoming) Novel (a prequel set 500 years before the events in The Dragonbone Chair detailing the fall of Asu´a)

Volume 6.00 (The Last King of Osten Ard, book 3)   
The Navigator´s Children (forthcoming) Novel



* Volumes 3.10 and 3.20 are identical with 3.00. The hardcover was so long that it had to be split into two volumes for the paperback editions. The US and UK editions are using different subtitles, but the texts are otherwise the same. In the US there is also a one-volume trade paperback edition available.


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#2 2016-08-14 12:15:35

ylvs
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Re: Osten Ard Reading Order

I think A Shadow Of Things To Come will be a novelette as well.

And calling Tad's books novels always seems weird to me. Brick is so much more appropriate ...


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#3 2016-08-14 12:46:48

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Re: Osten Ard Reading Order

So, Tad isn't a novelist but a brickist?


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#4 2016-08-14 21:34:27

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Re: Osten Ard Reading Order

We call them bricklayers. And my bookshelves now have nine layers of Tad-bricks!


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#5 2016-08-15 01:33:14

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Re: Osten Ard Reading Order

I'm mildly confused by this thread, on two points.

First: So, we know for sure that Empire of Grass and The Navigator's Children are the titles of the books after The Witchwood Crown, forming the latter two-thirds of the Last King trilogy?  (I admit I've been mostly-avoiding threads about the whole series, having not even finished MST.  Somehow from an earlier thread, though, I got the impression that maybe Navigator's Children was somewhere in the pre-MST period, having to do with the Sithi society before it collapsed under assault by men.)

Second: As far as suggesting this as a reading order, this seems like it ventures into the same treacherous territory one is in when arguing over whether the Narnia books should be read in the order written/published, or the chronological order.  Personally I fall fairly strongly on the side of those who argue for the former.  The Magician's Nephew happens chronologically first, but is far more meaningful as back-story, with an understanding of who Digory Kirke will become, and how his story lays the groundwork for other events.  Not every story needs to be told in chronological order, and many gain dramatic tension by withholding information and filling it in later, either telling you the backstory by way of having characters learn it, or simply separating the backstory out into a discrete chapter or book.

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#6 2016-08-15 01:45:25

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Re: Osten Ard Reading Order

Yes, EOG and TNC are books 2 and 3 of TLKOOA.


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#7 2016-08-15 02:29:54

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Re: Osten Ard Reading Order

Firsfron of Ronchester wrote:

We call them bricklayers. And my bookshelves now have nine layers of Tad-bricks!

Wouldn't that make us the bricklayers, and Tad a brickmaker?

Auros wrote:

Second: As far as suggesting this as a reading order, this seems like it ventures into the same treacherous territory one is in when arguing over whether the Narnia books should be read in the order written/published, or the chronological order.  Personally I fall fairly strongly on the side of those who aregue for the former.  The Magician's Nephew happens chronologically first, but is far more meaningful as back-story, with an understanding of who Digory Kirke will become, and how his story lays the groundwork for other events.  Not every story needs to be told in chronological order, and many gain dramatic tension by withholding information and filling it in later, either telling you the backstory by way of having characters learn it, or simply separating the backstory out into a discrete chapter or book.

I've seen the same discussion about Star Wars. Which I don't care about, personally, so I wasn't following it closely, but I agree with the point that reading chronologically might not be the best idea, if it makes some events less surprising.


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#8 2016-08-15 08:02:47

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Re: Osten Ard Reading Order

Thanks for all your suggestions. I edited the first post to include reading order by internal chronology as well as by publication date.


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#9 2016-08-15 17:55:16

Firsfron of Ronchester
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Re: Osten Ard Reading Order

Magpie wrote:

Firsfron of Ronchester wrote:

We call them bricklayers. And my bookshelves now have nine layers of Tad-bricks!

Wouldn't that make us the bricklayers, and Tad a brickmaker?

Well, good point.


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