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#26 2013-08-11 15:50:51

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Re: Happy Hour in Hell Reviews

I will "have cookies" tonight! Woot!


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#27 2013-08-11 16:55:22

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Re: Happy Hour in Hell Reviews

ylvs wrote:

*hands cyan a cookie*

You'll ge the rest of the box when you're done.

BWAHAHAHAHAHHAA!

Ylvs, leave that box somewhere I can find it, 'cuz I'll prolly finish the book tonight.


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#28 2013-08-11 17:14:58

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Re: Happy Hour in Hell Reviews

Also, Tad: some of the stuff you've come up with for this book is SO horrifying, I'm not sure I can look you in the eye ever again.  And I'm only at Ch. 33, I'm sure there's worse to come for Bobby.  *shudders*

ETA: Just finished chapter 33.  Now I'm quite sure I may never be able to look Tad in the eye again.


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#29 2013-08-11 23:08:13

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Re: Happy Hour in Hell Reviews

I kept thinking of the reading in Vienna a few years ago, where I wasn't paying attention for a moment and then the next thing I heard was Tad saying, "let me out, it's scary in here in Tad's imagination!"

Too true, too true.


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#30 2013-08-13 11:19:14

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Re: Happy Hour in Hell Reviews

http://amongthewreckage.blogspot.de/201 … eview.html

Ever since Tad Williams blew in to San Judas with old Bobby Dollar, things just haven’t been the same.  And that fellow readers is how we like it.  Happy Hour in Hell is the best book yet in what is becoming a fine little series for Tad Williams.  This time in Hell, which to my mind was handled absolutely perfectly by Mr. Williams.  In my experience Hell is done one of three ways: not at all(it’s just darkness), too seriously(Dante?), or too flippantly(Well it’s Hell, get over it!).  Tad Williams manages a fourth way, a kind of amalgamation of 2 and 3.  Which turns out to be just perfect.  The world building in Hell was SO GOOD in fact that I never wanted to leave.  It was so interesting, around every corner it seemed like Bobby met another interesting character.  The story is full of action, suspense, and mystery.  I have to hand it to Tad Williams that he made this episode of the Bobby Dollar series feel so good and so cohesive that the reader is never sitting around wondering what the threads of the mysteries lead to.  This I can’t say about Dirty Streets of Heaven, the first book in the series.  But I can say that Dirty Streets was a completely contained work.  I can’t say that about Happy Hour in Hell.  This book doesn’t assume you’ve read Dirty Streets of Heaven, but what it does assume is that your going to read the next book.  Which is fine, I just would have liked a little more intact of an ending.  This isn’t to say the end is a cliffhanger; the book just stops.  Which while I did mind this a bit, the rest of the book was so good.  That it completely made up for it.  I just hope the next book comes out soon.  Because I’m sure, like me, once you reach the end of Happy Hour in Hell you will be incredibly anxious to find out what happens next.


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#31 2013-08-13 11:27:10

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Re: Happy Hour in Hell Reviews

*sets cookie box in the middle of the room*

There you are cyan.


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#32 2013-08-13 17:38:11

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Re: Happy Hour in Hell Reviews

See.  SOMEBODY likes Hell!  It's not just me!


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#33 2013-08-14 14:23:11

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Re: Happy Hour in Hell Reviews

Good review from Goodreads:

Ever since Tad Williams blew in to San Judas with old Bobby Dollar, things just haven’t been the same. And that fellow readers is how we like it. Happy Hour in Hell is the best book yet in what is becoming a fine little series for Tad Williams. This time in Hell, which to my mind was handled absolutely perfectly by Mr. Williams. In my experience Hell is done one of three ways: not at all(it’s just darkness), too seriously(Dante?), or too flippantly(Well it’s Hell, get over it!). Tad Williams manages a fourth way, a kind of amalgamation of 2 and 3. Which turns out to be just perfect. The world building in Hell was SO GOOD in fact that I never wanted to leave. It was so interesting, around every corner it seemed like Bobby met another interesting character. The story is full of action, suspense, and mystery. I have to hand it to Tad Williams that he made this episode of the Bobby Dollar series feel so good and so cohesive that the reader is never sitting around wondering what the threads of the mysteries lead to. This I can’t say about Dirty Streets of Heaven, the first book in the series. But I can say that Dirty Streets was a completely contained work. I can’t say that about Happy Hour in Hell. This book doesn’t assume you’ve read Dirty Streets of Heaven, but what it does assume is that your going to read the next book. Which is fine, I just would have liked a little more intact of an ending. This isn’t to say the end is a cliffhanger; the book just stops. Which while I did mind this a bit, the rest of the book was so good. That it completely made up for it. I just hope the next book comes out soon. Because I’m sure, like me, once you reach the end of Happy Hour in Hell you will be incredibly anxious to find out what happens next.

https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/687270376


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#34 2013-08-14 23:35:48

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Re: Happy Hour in Hell Reviews

Good review indeed but the very same as the last one you posted.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!


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#35 2013-08-15 11:57:55

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Re: Happy Hour in Hell Reviews

ylvs wrote:

Good review indeed but the very same as the last one you posted.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!

Oh...dear. Of course. At this point I only skim read reviews (for fear of spoilers), so I did not notice it was the same posted at different venues. And it was late.


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#36 2013-08-15 12:37:56

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Re: Happy Hour in Hell Reviews

This time it`s a new one I think:

Bobby Dollar visits the particularly horrible place during the Happy Hour In Hell (hard from Penguin Group). Even though he is a low level angel, an advocate helping the souls of the dead to go to heaven, his girl friend, Casimira, whom Tad Williams introduced us to in The Dirty Streets of Heaven (paper), is in hell. So Bobby, in a demon body, finds his way across a bridge built for Nero and into a hell so horrible that if it were real, people would do anything to avoid. This is not a visit to talk to famous people, but an immersion is true horror where people can’t die despite impossible torture. It’s hot and smelly and far worse than the worst slum on Earth. This not the end of the tale, and I’m waiting for the next and trying to be impatient.

http://weeklypress.com/science-fiction- … 871-95.htm


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#37 2013-08-17 09:45:20

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Re: Happy Hour in Hell Reviews

Just posted my review this morning:

http://fantasyhotlist.blogspot.ca/2013/ … -hell.html

Cheers,

Patrick

 

#38 2013-08-17 13:28:28

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Re: Happy Hour in Hell Reviews

I'm going to be interested to see the HELL reviews.  Some folks are going to like the fact that there's more fantasy worldbuilding in this one.  Some folks are not.


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#39 2013-08-19 02:08:51

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Re: Happy Hour in Hell Reviews

I just found the book in the malbox.
WOOOOOT!
Review about to be written ...


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#40 2013-08-19 20:15:42

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Re: Happy Hour in Hell Reviews

*comes up for air* I'm finally free enough to start reading my copy -- so excited! (Though a little trepidatious about travelling the Hell you guys are describing. Wondering if I have the stomach for it.)

Also, during a most certainly brief breather, I'll be updating site with latest HHIH reviews. (Well, tomorrow morning. Taking a break tonight.) Thanks for collecting them here, makes it easier to get caught up :)

 

#41 2013-08-20 19:07:24

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Re: Happy Hour in Hell Reviews

Oh. Oh man. What the heck.

Finished it yesterday.

Chapter 33!! Whyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Also, Eligor is a grade-A butt-hat. No, grade-A+.

Posted my review up on GoodReads.


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#42 2013-08-22 11:26:44

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Re: Happy Hour in Hell Reviews

new substantial review:

http://phobosmoon.blogspot.de/2013/08/a … -hell.html

While Happy Hour in Hell is a different book to its predecessor, anyone who wanted a fully surround-sound 3D tour of Hell will be pleased and for everyone else, the mystery and our wisecracking hero are both still sharp enough to keep the pages turning. The hope is that the third novel will lean more towards the tone and pace of the first and finish this trilogy off in style, putting a firm tick in Williams’ urban fantasy column.


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#43 2013-08-24 13:39:00

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Re: Happy Hour in Hell Reviews

Happy Hour in Hell is a great addition to the series taking the story of Bobby Dollar a giant leap further. I was happy with the introduction of Hell in full colours, from the inhabitants to the lava pits and rivers, all calculated and amazing to read about. With the guided tour that Bobby, everything really paid off. The characters be it the protagonist Bobby himself or the secondary cast are all just as rich as the story itself. The ending of Happy Hour in Hell sees some great lively action scenes, where I was rooting for Bobby to make it across the bridge, Tad Williams shows again here that even though Bobby is an Angel he is not the omnipotent kind, he is not perfect. But he made it out of Hell without that lousy T-shirt! Next to this there are some great revealings in the end that show a possible direction for the last book in the series. With all that I have read so far in this series and from his earlier works I know that we as readers are in for an more than Grand adn explosive finale in Sleeping Late on Judgement Day. Happy Hour in Hell is brilliant and the Bobby Dollar should be on everyone’s reading shelves. Because Yes, it really is that freaking awesome.

http://thebookplank.blogspot.de/2013/08 … -hell.html


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#44 2013-08-26 00:45:19

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Re: Happy Hour in Hell Reviews

My two cents:

Nobody ever took you to Hell like Tad does


The title is misleading: There is a lot of Hell and I am not sure the book ever makes it to Happy Hour.

This is the second installment of Tad's new series of stand alone novels about angel Bobby Dollar aka Doloriel, working as a heavenly advocate for the souls of the recently deceased.

The book starts where the first - The Dirty Streets of Heaven - left off: Bobby is trying to sort out the mysteries he is faced with
- while plotting  to free his demon lover Caz from Eligor the Horseman Grand Duke of Hell,
- while having to defend his recent actions to his superiors in Heaven,
- while being pursued by a serial killer who died in the 1970s.

The reader gets (re)aquainted with the fictional Bay Area city San Judas, Bobby's buddies (nicknamed the Whole Sick Choir) and Heaven's unfathomable politics.
The book starts fast paced, weird, exciting and funny, very similar to the first one but is not nescessary to know it - although I bet that everybody who doesn't will pick it up afterwards.

And then Bobby enters hell.
It is horrible. It is disgusting. It is funny. It is heart-wrenching.
It seems endless. It is Hell.
Apart from the excellent and vivid descriptions of Hell (nobody does world building as convincing as the Dogly One) the characters (established and new) make the novel burst with life and hope as well as torture and despair. For example, Gob the lost child who was born in Hell and hence never had a life on earth. Or Riprash the slave trading demon with a truly astonishing agenda of his own.
Once Bobby is out of Hell things hurry towards the showdown and the admittedly not too surprising final twist and afterwards I was left craving for more. As Caz says "It's never over, Bobby darling. Hell doesn't work that way."

This novel is an emotional tour de force. I had to put it down repeatedly because I needed time to recover and to think. It's been a long time that I read fiction which left me so emotionally drained as well as intellectually stimulated. It also made me laugh for minutes in the most unexpected moments. 
I appreciated the witty concept of a static and bureaucratic Heaven with memory wiped souls who spend their eternity in blissful stupor (as established in Dirty Streets) contrasted with an evolving and chaotic Hell where the damned who are fully aware of who they were and are struggle for survival and change.
One could argue that the part in hell is too long and not important to the plot in all its detail. I do not. Yes it's 250 pages of Bobby trying to get to and free Caz (and some other stuff). Yes, the book could be shorter and keeping its fast pace all through the story.
Then it might just be a damn well written urban fantasy horror thriller keeping true to its genre.
But luckily Tad never cared for genre conventions and this novel contains much more, it has many layers.
It is a philosophical treatise about the concept of eternal damnation. It is a tragic love story. It is a journey to the soul. It cannot be shorter.
The main engine of the plot is the Bobby Caz love story. I have a soft spot for Romeo and Juliet type tragedies and I enjoy this classic theme taken to the extreme: a love between an angel and a demon. I totally buy Doloriel and Casimira and am again impressed how the Dogly One writes sex scenes without letting them become either pornographic or romantic schmalz.
I was a tad bit disappointed though to see none of the loose ends the reader is left with at the end of Dirty Streets woven in the story. How did Leo die? Who is behind the Third Way? What was Eligor's gain in the deal with a high-up-in-the-food-chain angel in the first place? Does God exist? And what about Lucifer?
These questions are just hinted at throughout the novel. Being the master storyteller that Tad is he'll wrap them all up satisfyingly and surprisingly in the next book Sleeping Late on Judgement Day which I would rather read tomorrow instead of next year.
As we all do I love and admire all Dog's books - Happy Hour in Hell is one of the best he has written to date.


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#45 2013-08-26 14:15:06

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Re: Happy Hour in Hell Reviews

Thanks for all the lovely words, Ylva.  MOST of the mysteries will be cleared up in SLEEPING LATE, however there will still be a few, large and small, that will remain mysterious, because I intend to keep writing Bobby books, but more as stand-alones.  For instance, it will be a while before I really get into Bobby pre-afterlife.  However, you will get your answers on the Third Way, at least, in the next one.

Current thinking on title of next one (I have the basics of what seems like a pretty cool plot) is FOREVER O'CLOCK.


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#46 2013-08-26 14:16:12

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Oh, and there IS a Happy Hour in the book.  It's at Vera's friends' house.  I think it's even mentioned as "HH".

Now, how happy it really is -- open to discussion.


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#47 2013-08-27 00:02:32

ylvs
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Re: Happy Hour in Hell Reviews

You're very welcome, Tad. Thank you for the story.

As you mentioned Bobby's pre-afterlife (what a funny word concoction) - I have a pet theory about that and would like to know if there are subtle hints so far or if it's something that would seem out of the blue at this point?

And there was a Happy Hour in the Vera section? No wonder I missed it. I tried to read that part with eyes closed.

*shudders*


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#48 2013-08-27 09:45:05

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Re: Happy Hour in Hell Reviews

There is (before it gets horrible, even). That's the upside of the pdf, being able to search for words.


I'm beginning to think that my book must be making a detour through Australia, so I'm even more grateful for the pdf.


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#49 2013-08-28 11:20:33

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Re: Happy Hour in Hell Reviews


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#50 2013-08-28 12:59:38

ylvs
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Re: Happy Hour in Hell Reviews

Sometimes I don't understand how the reviewers get to their stars. This one leans more to the negative side yet is giving it four stars while this http://phobosmoon.blogspot.de/2013/08/a … n-hell.htm is reviewing the book almost enthusiasticly while only giving three ...


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