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#51 2009-10-30 13:17:55

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Re: DOGHOUSE: Tail Between Legs

Tad wrote:

OMG, Maladroit.  OMG.

Just so.  But I note that if you /do/ plan the Magnificent Tree Tour, Georgia is quite close to NC, and therefore 2/3 of the Trinity.

Not that we're listed by the tourist board, but what can you do?


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#52 2009-10-30 14:42:03

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Re: DOGHOUSE: Tail Between Legs

Miiru wrote:

Tad wrote:

OMG, Maladroit.  OMG.

Just so.  But I note that if you /do/ plan the Magnificent Tree Tour, Georgia is quite close to NC, and therefore 2/3 of the Trinity.

Not that we're listed by the tourist board, but what can you do?

And South Carolina is smack dab in the middle ... the third party of the trinity?


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#53 2009-11-01 00:33:14

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Re: DOGHOUSE: Tail Between Legs

I come to report a milestone: our son (whom I will hereinafter refer to as "Boy") signed his first books today, at World Fantasy Con.

I was signing a bunch of books outside the dealers room and because the Shadowmarch books are dedicated to him and to his sister, I jokingly suggested he could sign one.  The person whose book it was said yes, and so Boy signed it.  He signed at least half a dozen altogether, probably more, and each time his signature got bigger.  About halfway through he started asking if they wanted a drawing.  (His idea: a sun -- get it, "son"?)  Took to it like a pig in pig stuff.

Anyway, just thought it deserved an official commemoration, in case he someday becomes a writer as he threatens to do.


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#54 2009-11-01 08:40:49

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Re: DOGHOUSE: Tail Between Legs

That's awesome and dangerous, Tad. You'll want to keep an eye on him. Those young writers, working up through the ranks of their elders...

It's a treacherous business, it is.


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#55 2009-11-02 00:39:52

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Re: DOGHOUSE: Tail Between Legs

I'm sad to have missed such a memorable occasion!


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#56 2009-11-02 00:40:18

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Re: DOGHOUSE: Tail Between Legs

It was the exuberant self-satisfaction.  I thought, "Oh my God, we've given birth to a Harlan."


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#57 2009-11-04 20:07:40

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Its his first step to perfecting YOUR signature, Tad. Hide your checks. Also, I don't mean to sound like a pain, but I was wondering if you saw my question on the last page about the PS3 game Heavy Rain. It's coming out early next year and looks to be a revolutionary game in terms of story and emotions, an adventure game that for the first time will truly make you consider your choices and how their consequences will effect the outcome of the story. With several characters in the game and choices and thoughts to make on the go through contextual mechanics, steer the story the way you decide, and if your decision - mistake or otherwise - results in that characters death, the loss is permanent. Even though saving is present, the game is meant to be played with saving at the end of the levels, for the game is about the emotional impact from your choices and their consequences, and how realistic it all is.

I honestly believe this is something you should check out, there are many articles and videos of playthroughs - some of which show several different outcomes. The best video so far to show off the impact of the choices and decisions you make is one that involves the store robbery. The game is called Heavy Rain, is made by the team behind Indigo Prophecy, and in my opinion looks to offer the most truly cinematic experience in a video game to date, which anyone will believe once they read up on it and watch videos of it. As an avid gamer, as someone who loves to read and write, I think it will change the perception of what games can do. I know you yourself like to play games now and then, not to mention you're helping make one with Otherland, so I figured with your love of writing as well, you'd really respect what the developers are bringing to the table, here.

Thanks for reading this, and keep up the good work.


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#58 2009-11-12 01:22:15

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Re: DOGHOUSE: Tail Between Legs

Both kids never stood a chance. There'll be like next generation S'march posses or something.

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#59 2009-12-21 19:10:01

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Re: DOGHOUSE: Tail Between Legs

LONG DELAYED BUT NOT FORGOTTEN...

My Five Desert Island Books:


Gravity's Rainbow -- Thomas Pynchon  -- because I really could use seven or eight more readings, and I won't have time unless I'm stuck on an island.

Collected Poems of Wallace Stevens  -- because they're worth thinking about...carefully and unhurriedly.

History of Modern Art -- Arnason and Prather  -- Something to look at!

King James Bible -- because I'm a pagan raised with no faith, and there's lots to know and lots of good stories in there.

Once and Future King -- T. H. White -- Something beloved and familiar.


(I would also have to give very strong thought to replacing one of these with a Collected Shakespeare, although the one I have is three huge volumes, so I left it off because it seemed like cheating.)


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#60 2009-12-22 22:24:14

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Re: DOGHOUSE: Tail Between Legs

Tad wrote:

LONG DELAYED BUT NOT FORGOTTEN...

...never mind how we spent our time.

(Sorry, can never resist an opportunity to quote Lightning Seeds' lyrical excellence, even with the flimsiest of provocation).

Seemingly, I'm also not able to resist a good stranded-on-a-desert-island book list either (plus, it also allows a nice "in" for my first post):

Daimonic Reality by Patrick Harpur

A fascinating non-fiction book that I gain a little bit of insight into what really might be going on in the "real" world each and every time I pop the cover.  Like Tad's Pynchon pick, it could probably stand up to infinite readings and still leave you scratching your head (but in a good way). 

Moby Dick by Herman Melville

A metaphysical masterpiece that, again, is just so dense, that it could withstand multiple readings and re-readings and still retain its sense of exploration and mystery with each and every attempt.

"He saw God’s foot upon the treadle of the loom..."

One of my favourite lines of all time.

The Fox Woman by Kij Johnson

A beautiful, poetic, epic.  And it's about foxes (well, kitsune).  What more could a vulpineophile want?

The Power of Myth by Joseph Campbell

Less than the sum of all of his works, this primer to the PBS series of the same name, still gives you a nice snapshot into Campbell's life's work on comparative mythology and, I think, would offer you a great deal of comfort during your island stay; equating you and your predicament with that of the mythic hero and renewing both your sense of self-worth and hope during those lean times when you would probably need it most.  "Hey, this is just like what happened to Odysseus and he made it through..."

The final one might be ruled invalid (due to the Shakespeare Rule cited by Tad) but I'll risk it:

The Sourcebook Project (all the existent volumes) by William Corliss or, if not that, a complete collection of The Fortean Times magazine (except those issues that I contributed to).  As a perfectionist, I still cringe at some of those editorial decisions...

You know what?  Forget it.  I'll play by the rules.  Plus, how could I not throw out Tailchaser's Song, my favourite anthropomorphic novel and the reason I'm here in the first place?

Anyhow, Happy Holidays to you and yours and, of course, all the Williamsites out there.

Thanks to one and all for making this such an easy foray into the Tadlands....

Polterdog.

Last edited by polterdog (2009-12-23 01:13:31)


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#61 2009-12-24 01:17:03

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Re: DOGHOUSE: Tail Between Legs

Welcome aboard polterdog!


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#62 2009-12-24 01:57:02

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Re: DOGHOUSE: Tail Between Legs

Thanks, Sahi.  Although, truth be told, while new to The Boards, I have known and corresponded with Tad for a decade or so, previously (actually, double that, if you take the ten-year hiatus or so between our last missives into account) -- although, of course, given that much time, it seems like another lifetime ago, now....

Anyhow, with everything feeling fresh and new again it is, of course, nice to find myself wandering these fields again and meeting all you wonderful wayfarers along the way.

Polterdog.


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#63 2010-01-03 02:07:00

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Re: DOGHOUSE: Tail Between Legs

I've just spent my evening up to my elbows in turtle poop.

How's YOUR day been?


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#64 2010-01-03 05:35:14

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Re: DOGHOUSE: Tail Between Legs

Tad wrote:

I've just spent my evening up to my elbows in turtle poop.

How's YOUR day been?

In all honesty, I think I can top your fecal-based tales of testudinian terror but as this is a family show....

Polterdog.

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#65 2010-01-07 05:34:19

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Re: DOGHOUSE: Tail Between Legs

It's a /family/ show?!

Aw. :(

I'll cancel act three, then...


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#66 2010-01-08 00:12:26

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Re: DOGHOUSE: Tail Between Legs

Miiru wrote:

It's a /family/ show?!

Aw. :(

I'll cancel act three, then...

Well, you would know better than me.  Let the tales of debauchery begin!

Polterdog.


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#67 2010-01-08 07:16:22

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Re: DOGHOUSE: Tail Between Legs

polterdog wrote:

Miiru wrote:

It's a /family/ show?!

Aw. :(

I'll cancel act three, then...

Well, you would know better than me.  Let the tales of debauchery begin!

Polterdog.

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#68 2010-01-09 10:58:57

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Re: DOGHOUSE: Tail Between Legs

Tad wrote:

I've just spent my evening up to my elbows in turtle poop.

How's YOUR day been?

How many islands would be only dead rocks without turtle poo ... ? ;-)


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#69 2010-01-09 11:08:54

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Re: DOGHOUSE: Tail Between Legs

polterdog wrote:

Thanks, Sahi.  Although, truth be told, while new to The Boards, I have known and corresponded with Tad for a decade or so, previously (actually, double that, if you take the ten-year hiatus or so between our last missives into account) -- although, of course, given that much time, it seems like another lifetime ago, now....

Anyhow, with everything feeling fresh and new again it is, of course, nice to find myself wandering these fields again and meeting all you wonderful wayfarers along the way.

Polterdog.

Welcome Polterdog.

You seems to know the works of T. PYNCHON quite well. Can you tell us a bit more on his book "Gravity's rainbow" ?


- My former pseudo in the french minitel roleplaying community AKELA
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#70 2010-01-10 00:33:03

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Earthmanu wrote:

You seems to know the works of T. PYNCHON quite well. Can you tell us a bit more on his book "Gravity's rainbow" ?

I appreciate the compliment, Earthmanu, but I'm hardly an expert on Pynchon or his works. I only read Gravity's Rainbow because a friend knew how much I enjoyed Moby Dick and that I had also once written a 20-page dissertation on The Fall of Man for a fourth year philosophy course in university (the concept of Free Will being a key theme in both Gravity's Rainbow and The Book of Genesis) so he thought that I might get a kick out of it.

That being said, Gravity's Rainbow, like Moby Dick, takes a steady hand to navigate through its pages and not get totally lost.  The best that I can tell you (and it's been a few years since reading it), is that it's set in WWII and is about a group of characters trying to uncover the secrets of the "black device" (I won't even attempt the German here) that is apparently going to be installed on a V2 rocket.  So that's the main bit.  The rest...?  Well, let's put it this way, if you're used to standard story-telling it might be a bit...challenging.   Not only does it turn story structure on its head but it is also very digressive and almost hallucinatory (not to mention extremely hedonistic -- and I do mean extremely) that's hard to make sense of even at the best of times.  I'd caution you not to read the book in an altered state of consciousness, while extremely tired, or with a heightened sense of morality or values (it's very naughty).  It's also chock-full of characters.  If you thought Tad included a lot of characters in his books, try reading and keeping track of the individual storylines running through this thing.  It's an absolute tangle (re: the Free Will concept mentioned above and how different destinies intertwine and interact with one another).

Anyhow, without totally side-stepping your question, Earthmanu, it's probably wiser of me to direct you to the Wikipedia entry on the subject as they do a much better job at explaining all of this better than I ever could (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity%27s_Rainbow). 

I hope that helps and answers your question somewhat.  I'd hate to embarrass myself with a huge posting (and to discuss the book in its entirety would require one massive post) that is way less informed than the vast majority of other commentaries that are out there.

Polterdog.

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#71 2010-01-16 06:17:41

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Re: DOGHOUSE: Tail Between Legs

Thanks Polterdog :) Tad is lucky to have so many books-loving pen-pals. I am going to buy two of your favorite island-books (Number One and Number Three).


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#72 2010-01-18 03:46:13

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Re: DOGHOUSE: Tail Between Legs

Earthmanu wrote:

Thanks Polterdog :) Tad is lucky to have so many books-loving pen-pals. I am going to buy two of your favorite island-books (Number One and Number Three).

I think you'll really enjoy The Fox Woman.  It's beautiful.  Damoinic Reality does take a bit of effort (even for those with an interest in alchemical/para-mythic traditions) but this is the book that first exposed me to the acausal links that seem to exist between all the strange phenomena out there that people experience and have regularly been reporting on since time immemorable.  It's both fascinating and, upon reflection, a little disquieting, when all is said and done.  I also used it as a kind of ideological template for my first major published writing project and so it holds a special place on my bookshelf for that reason alone.

Enjoy and let me know what you think.

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#73 2010-01-18 22:43:34

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Re: DOGHOUSE: Tail Between Legs

Went to Book convention and purchased 5 of the Green Angel Tower Novels. Is there a novel before this that I should be reading to get into the story or are they just a series that I will love anyway.

 

#74 2010-01-18 23:31:39

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Re: DOGHOUSE: Tail Between Legs

Not to be a creeper,

1. MS&T trilogy,

2. The Dancers at the End of Time Trilogy by Michael Moorcock,

3. The Iliad,

4. The Bible (Because I have yet to read it through completely),

5. The complete works of H.G. Wells :D

I'm obsessed with other worlds :}

I would take Tailchaser's song, but I think if I'm going to be isolated, I'm going to create sand cats or stick cats or something and recreate the story anyways. Book or no book.


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#75 2010-01-19 12:16:18

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Re: DOGHOUSE: Tail Between Legs

DebbieBfan wrote:

Went to Book convention and purchased 5 of the Green Angel Tower Novels. Is there a novel before this that I should be reading to get into the story or are they just a series that I will love anyway.

Five? As far as I know there's only two! It's part of the Memory, Sorrow and Thorn series.

1: The Dragonbone Chair
2: Stone of Farewell
3: To Green Angel Tower (usually split into two parts)


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